Player Crushing Our Home Game (2 Viewers)

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A regular at our weekly home game has noticeably improved and been absolutely crushing everyone consistently for the past few months. Sometimes they are the only person up at the end of the night.

I can't assume cause and effect, but a few other players have stopped showing up.

Has anyone experienced this before? I would never ban someone for winning, but I am worried if this is slowly killing the game.
 
Is this a picture of the fellow who is crushing your home game?

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When I was 25 I broke a leg riding thoroughbreds and was off for a year recovering before getting back into riding. In that time I played a lot of poker. I angled anytime I could, I took the $5 buss to the casino at played 8-10hrs strait at $1/2 & $2/5 waiting for fish, along with unknown hours on Xbox live playing free digital poker. I have not and will not ever play online poker for $ after sitting in a university computer lab on 3 computers each with a buddy playing poker. Back in 2000 you could sign in from the lab and successfully obtain 2 or even 3 seats at the same online cash table. A buddy I think paid for his entire degree that way. I'll never play online poker knowing that. It was one of the big sites back then but I cannot remember exactly which. But I think both poker stars and another site allowed this exploit. It required several accounts but they could just be run from different credit cards. So 3 cards and you were set.

The other big game I'd play was to go to a game with a friend....but when in the game fake a insane rivalry. We'd play off that we were "tangling" or busting each other up. Essentially we'd raise out other players when we had semi payable pr better hands by power betting the turn and potentially river if either connected on the statistics that 2 players united against any held a large table advantage in any hand. If said 2 players splitting take from a unraked game this strategy can work for a while.

In that same time I became a freakishly good player. I some how (can't do it the same now) could put players on hand to the point where i was accused a few times of somehow counting the cards (still proud of that lol). I think being in my 20s, submerged in overwhelming gambling culture of racing that i learn from a young age how to gamble to the best advantage and being reckless guy that rode and trained thoroughbreds helped me play poker. Now I have a "real" job rather than "dream" job, a family, house etc....it's harder to blindly bet larger amounts than it used to be. Is your friend just really lucky and play a decent game? Or could they be using some tricks?

I suggest observing objectively how this player is winning most of their $. Are they playing against any player somehow too often. Even if that player loses, are their big losses more often to said "winner"?.

If players are of at least similar skill there shouldn't be a massive disparity at practically every game.

How badly is your friend crushing the game? Have other players simply not improved or could more be going on?

* lastly is he magician? Never ever play with clowns or magicians they can shuffle and stack the deck in more ways than you can imagine. At one game i used to play in where players dealt....it was all known that "un-named millionaire" was a card cheat and did magic tricks in his youth. If he was dealing and you had pocket QQ Queens you knew to fold immediately. He loved smashing the "mobsqeezers". So in toleration of business he was allowed to play but often other players shuffled and dealt when it was his turn.
 
What's the dealing situation? Cut cards? Shuffling?

He might just be a competent player who found a very soft game to cut up. Up to you, you are well within your rights to not invite him if its too much for your game.
 
Are you experienced enough at poker to know if he’s just getting lucky, if he’s actually playing really well, or if it doesn’t add up and you have to wonder if he’s cheating?
 
If he’s doing anything fishy you should be able to pick up on it. Go down the list the other comments mentioned. Handling of the cards, signs of collusion or other cheating techniques.

If he’s not doing anything weird then watch his play. Could be the route of him playing correctly and picking his spots.

I am in no way the best player around but I was better than the players at my home game circa 1.5 years ago. I could run over the players that were new with ease. I would also play real cagey against the 1 or 2 players that know how to play.

It’s easy money for a competent player in those type of games. This could be what’s going on.
 
Unless you have something suspicious to point out, your player probably just got good at poker—or he was already good and now has enough experience with your players to exploit them consistently. Some players are so easily exploitable that having their number is a ticket to a near-100% session win rate.

It's a very real possibility, if the skill gap is really this wide, that he'll just keep grinding away your game until no one wants to play anymore.

What is the structure of your game? Blinds, buy-ins, all that. Sometimes that's a place where you can make some adjustments that will shake a perpetual winner.
 
When I was 25 I broke a leg riding thoroughbreds and was off for a year recovering before getting back into riding. In that time I played a lot of poker. I angled anytime I could, I took the $5 buss to the casino at played 8-10hrs strait at $1/2 & $2/5 waiting for fish, along with unknown hours on Xbox live playing free digital poker. I have not and will not ever play online poker for $ after sitting in a university computer lab on 3 computers each with a buddy playing poker. Back in 2000 you could sign in from the lab and successfully obtain 2 or even 3 seats at the same online cash table. A buddy I think paid for his entire degree that way. I'll never play online poker knowing that. It was one of the big sites back then but I cannot remember exactly which. But I think both poker stars and another site allowed this exploit. It required several accounts but they could just be run from different credit cards. So 3 cards and you were set.

The other big game I'd play was to go to a game with a friend....but when in the game fake a insane rivalry. We'd play off that we were "tangling" or busting each other up. Essentially we'd raise out other players when we had semi payable pr better hands by power betting the turn and potentially river if either connected on the statistics that 2 players united against any held a large table advantage in any hand. If said 2 players splitting take from a unraked game this strategy can work for a while.

In that same time I became a freakishly good player. I some how (can't do it the same now) could put players on hand to the point where i was accused a few times of somehow counting the cards (still proud of that lol). I think being in my 20s, submerged in overwhelming gambling culture of racing that i learn from a young age how to gamble to the best advantage and being reckless guy that rode and trained thoroughbreds helped me play poker. Now I have a "real" job rather than "dream" job, a family, house etc....it's harder to blindly bet larger amounts than it used to be. Is your friend just really lucky and play a decent game? Or could they be using some tricks?

I suggest observing objectively how this player is winning most of their $. Are they playing against any player somehow too often. Even if that player loses, are their big losses more often to said "winner"?.

If players are of at least similar skill there shouldn't be a massive disparity at practically every game.

How badly is your friend crushing the game? Have other players simply not improved or could more be going on?

* lastly is he magician? Never ever play with clowns or magicians they can shuffle and stack the deck in more ways than you can imagine. At one game i used to play in where players dealt....it was all known that "un-named millionaire" was a card cheat and did magic tricks in his youth. If he was dealing and you had pocket QQ Queens you knew to fold immediately. He loved smashing the "mobsqeezers". So in toleration of business he was allowed to play but often other players shuffled and dealt when it was his turn.
"Back in the day, my friends and I engaged in rampant cheating both online and live."
 
In addition to what everyone else said, one other angle is that swings happen too, sometimes long ones.

I'm on a 7-month streak in my home game, and I didn't suddenly get better. The deck has been going my way a lot more than math says it should in giant, multi-way all-in pots. And I'm in those spots a lot more, since busting me has become a priority. Top pair top kicker on the flop somehow sticking in three-way all ins is most of my "genius."

Sometimes luck lasts a lot longer than seems reasonable.
 
In addition to what everyone else said, one other angle is that swings happen too, sometimes long ones.

I'm on a 7-month streak in my home game, and I didn't suddenly get better. The deck has been going my way a lot more than math says it should in giant, multi-way all-in pots. And I'm in those spots a lot more, since busting me has become a priority. Top pair top kicker on the flop somehow sticking in three-way all ins is most of my "genius."

Sometimes luck lasts a lot longer than seems reasonable.

Truth
 
I had a couple players who outright accused a player of cheating after a session now referred to as Bloody Sunday at my game. I did what I thought best for the integrity of the game and watched the guy like a hawk the next session, then took it way too far (not proud) and took his phone from him to see if he was running a GTO app or something while playing, basically interrogated the guy for damn near an hour (I’m really not proud of this) and did everything possible to put the fear of God in him. He never cracked and didn’t have anything damning against him.

Long story short, he wasn’t cheating. He was running exceptionally well for a few sessions and he’s a LAG.

It took some time and serious effort to smooth things with the player in question. He obviously didn’t come back around for about 2 months. He is now a regular, again. He wins some and losses some. Last weekend he was stuck around $1,400. The weekend before that, think he cashed for $80. Had a nice win the week before that. In other words, variance and normalcy returned.

The players that accused him of cheating…. They’re gone for good. The reason, they told me if he was allowed back, they wouldn’t play. I’m not big on ultimatums or people telling me who is and who isn’t allowed to play in my game. When it was proven player in question was never cheating, I suppose I could have still let him stay gone and retained the crybabies. I asked myself the simple question of what was 1) fair 2) most enjoyable 3) best for the long term health of my game. I’ll take the LAG who reaches for rebuys over and over with a great attitude all day every day. My advice to the other players…play better.

To me, he is possibly the easiest player at the table to exploit. Just let him use his aggression right into a corner and take himself to value town. A couple well placed check raises don’t hurt, either.

It may have been different if the players I lost were dear friends, I suppose. But, tbh, not much. I’d still tell them to play better and quit whining. Replacing players requires effort, but it doesn’t have to be a game killer. Just a minor blip in the grand scheme of things. If your game is safe, fun, fair, etc you’ll have no trouble filling seats with new players.

If the guy is legit cheating…that’s different. You definitely need to know and if he is, get him out of there ASAP. And it’s not the movies. In spite of placing the fear of God in my accused cheater, I never laid a hand on him and planned carefully how to make sure it didn’t come to that. I’m not sending anyone to the hospital and I’m not going to jail. Not for a few bucks anyway.

So, you need to determine if he’s a cheat or if it’s a skill issue first and then decide how your game is best served/protected afterwards. It takes serious brass to come in to someone else’s house and cheat their game. Doing it week after week…that’s balls 99.9% of the population doesn’t have. For me, that eliminates the likelihood of cheating to almost zero without going further. If this is the type of guy that fits that description, watch him carefully. Don’t allow cellphones on the table while playing a hand. I could go on, but I’m sure my point is made. It’s pretty easy to spot cheating when that’s your only concern.
 
I had a couple players who outright accused a player of cheating after a session now referred to as Bloody Sunday at my game. I did what I thought best for the integrity of the game and watched the guy like a hawk the next session, then took it way too far (not proud) and took his phone from him to see if he was running a GTO app or something while playing, basically interrogated the guy for damn near an hour (I’m really not proud of this) and did everything possible to put the fear of God in him. He never cracked and didn’t have anything damning against him.

Long story short, he wasn’t cheating. He was running exceptionally well for a few sessions and he’s a LAG.

It took some time and serious effort to smooth things with the player in question. He obviously didn’t come back around for about 2 months. He is now a regular, again. He wins some and losses some. Last weekend he was stuck around $1,400. The weekend before that, think he cashed for $80. Had a nice win the week before that. In other words, variance and normalcy returned.

The players that accused him of cheating…. They’re gone for good. The reason, they told me if he was allowed back, they wouldn’t play. I’m not big on ultimatums or people telling me who is and who isn’t allowed to play in my game. When it was proven player in question was never cheating, I suppose I could have still let him stay gone and retained the crybabies. I asked myself the simple question of what was 1) fair 2) most enjoyable 3) best for the long term health of my game. I’ll take the LAG who reaches for rebuys over and over with a great attitude all day every day. My advice to the other players…play better.

To me, he is possibly the easiest player at the table to exploit. Just let him use his aggression right into a corner and take himself to value town. A couple well placed check raises don’t hurt, either.

It may have been different if the players I lost were dear friends, I suppose. But, tbh, not much. I’d still tell them to play better and quit whining. Replacing players requires effort, but it doesn’t have to be a game killer. Just a minor blip in the grand scheme of things. If your game is safe, fun, fair, etc you’ll have no trouble filling seats with new players.

If the guy is legit cheating…that’s different. You definitely need to know and if he is, get him out of there ASAP. And it’s not the movies. In spite of placing the fear of God in my accused cheater, I never laid a hand on him and planned carefully how to make sure it didn’t come to that. I’m not sending anyone to the hospital and I’m not going to jail. Not for a few bucks anyway.

So, you need to determine if he’s a cheat or if it’s a skill issue first and then decide how your game is best served/protected afterwards. It takes serious brass to come in to someone else’s house and cheat their game. Doing it week after week…that’s balls 99.9% of the population doesn’t have. For me, that eliminates the likelihood of cheating to almost zero without going further. If this is the type of guy that fits that description, watch him carefully. Don’t allow cellphones on the table while playing a hand. I could go on, but I’m sure my point is made. It’s pretty easy to spot cheating when that’s your only concern.
Damn. That's an unfortunate turn of events. Players need to understand that falsely accusing someone of cheating is a game-breaking event.

Did they specifically allege that he was doing something improper with his phone, or were they just incensed that he won so much and assumed that he must have been cheating in some way?
 
Damn. That's an unfortunate turn of events. Players need to understand that falsely accusing someone of cheating is a game-breaking event.

Did they specifically allege that he was doing something improper with his phone, or were they just incensed that he won so much and assumed that he must have been cheating in some way?
They were convinced he was using a GTO app
 
They were convinced he was using a GTO app
So it's option B: They were incensed about losing and assumed he must be cheating in some unseen way. The phone was just a convenient point of accusation.

I worry sometimes about playing with inexperienced people for exactly this reason. I have a thread on 2+2 about being accused of cheating by some clueless blowhard who listed "BLACK JACK," all caps, in the field on my Meetup group where I asked about people's favorite forms of power.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/24/home-poker/cheating-accusation-against-me-1373496

Short version: She claimed that most of the players, plus myself, conspired to spend several hours and use hundreds of dollars in specialized equipment (including marked cards and special glasses to see the marks, though I don't wear glasses) to cheat her stupid ass out of $40 total, half of which was in rolled quarters.* She threatened to call the cops on my next game and everything. I'm glad she never did, and I'm also glad she didn't make this accusation at the table because it could have broken my game before it even had a chance to get rolling.

Good riddance to your false accusers.

The nitwit brought rolled quarters because she thought 0.25/0.25 NLHE meant we would be playing with piles of quarters, kitchen-table style.
 
I would simply ask the players that have stopped showing if this is the issue.

Are you in in danger of not having enough players to keep the game going, or have you just lost a few from a large player pool?
 
So it's option B: They were incensed about losing and assumed he must be cheating in some unseen way. The phone was just a convenient point of accusation.

I worry sometimes about playing with inexperienced people for exactly this reason. I have a thread on 2+2 about being accused of cheating by some clueless blowhard who listed "BLACK JACK," all caps, in the field on my Meetup group where I asked about people's favorite forms of power.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/24/home-poker/cheating-accusation-against-me-1373496

Short version: She claimed that most of the players, plus myself, conspired to spend several hours and use hundreds of dollars in specialized equipment (including marked cards and special glasses to see the marks, though I don't wear glasses) to cheat her stupid ass out of $40 total, half of which was in rolled quarters.* She threatened to call the cops on my next game and everything. I'm glad she never did, and I'm also glad she didn't make this accusation at the table because it could have broken my game before it even had a chance to get rolling.

Good riddance to your false accusers.

The nitwit brought rolled quarters because she thought 0.25/0.25 NLHE meant we would be playing with piles of quarters, kitchen-table style.
Oh geez. Wow. That’s crazy.

In hindsight, yes. One was absolutely just a crybaby. The kind that gets really upset when his aces get cracked from the button after min clicking the raise. Ummm, you had seven callers dumbass. It’s not the card gods fault you’re terrible and let 7/3 or whatever get there.

The other was legit concerned/convinced he was cheating and feels terrible about the accusation. If it had come from only the crybaby, I dismiss the thing on its face. Unfortunately, the other accuser was someone I trusted and had the best intentions. He is also a hard core stoner. No judgement, but playing impaired and paranoid leads to silly conclusions. I didn’t factor that in to my thinking and is where most of my regret stems from. I should have simply told the group collectively no phones while involved in a hand, period. Next. Problem solved and he hasn’t run that hot since. Maybe never will. It was insane, but that was part of the ridiculousness of the “cheating theory” for me. I use shufflers and my wife was dealing. It’s not like he could stack the deck. He was just on an insane heater. Anyone who’s played for long enough has those sun runs.
 
Oh geez. Wow. That’s crazy.

In hindsight, yes. One was absolutely just a crybaby. The kind that gets really upset when his aces get cracked from the button after min clicking the raise. Ummm, you had seven callers dumbass. It’s not the card gods fault you’re terrible and let 7/3 or whatever get there.

The other was legit concerned/convinced he was cheating and feels terrible about the accusation. If it had come from only the crybaby, I dismiss the thing on its face. Unfortunately, the other accuser was someone I trusted and had the best intentions. He is also a hard core stoner. No judgement, but playing impaired and paranoid leads to silly conclusions. I didn’t factor that in to my thinking and is where most of my regret stems from. I should have simply told the group collectively no phones while involved in a hand, period. Next. Problem solved and he hasn’t run that hot since. Maybe never will. It was insane, but that was part of the ridiculousness of the “cheating theory” for me. I use shufflers and my wife was dealing. It’s not like he could stack the deck. He was just on an insane heater. Anyone who’s played for long enough has those sun runs.
It's cool your player stuck around and is still part of your group. Hopefully he / they get lots of opportunities to give you shit about it on the reg, which, in our home game, is worth a lot of chips.
 
Oh geez. Wow. That’s crazy.

In hindsight, yes. One was absolutely just a crybaby. The kind that gets really upset when his aces get cracked from the button after min clicking the raise. Ummm, you had seven callers dumbass. It’s not the card gods fault you’re terrible and let 7/3 or whatever get there.
I doubt I would miss this guy.

The other was legit concerned/convinced he was cheating and feels terrible about the accusation. If it had come from only the crybaby, I dismiss the thing on its face. Unfortunately, the other accuser was someone I trusted and had the best intentions. He is also a hard core stoner. No judgement, but playing impaired and paranoid leads to silly conclusions. I didn’t factor that in to my thinking and is where most of my regret stems from. I should have simply told the group collectively no phones while involved in a hand, period. Next. Problem solved and he hasn’t run that hot since. Maybe never will. It was insane, but that was part of the ridiculousness of the “cheating theory” for me. I use shufflers and my wife was dealing. It’s not like he could stack the deck. He was just on an insane heater. Anyone who’s played for long enough has those sun runs.
I might miss this guy, though. Seems like a genuine mistake on his part, impaired or otherwise. A LAG getting lucky over and over can drive a guy to theorize about a lot of things. If his response to being proven wrong was penitence, that's a good sign of character. (I don't suppose Accuser A responded that way.)
 
I doubt I would miss this guy.
He isn’t around by design. It wasn’t voluntary.
I might miss this guy, though. Seems like a genuine mistake on his part, impaired or otherwise. A LAG getting lucky over and over can drive a guy to theorize about a lot of things. If his response to being proven wrong was penitence, that's a good sign of character. (I don't suppose Accuser A responded that way.)
He’s not gone for good. He’s just working up the courage to show his face. I’ve assured him there’s no bad blood and threw myself under the bus. I never let the accused know who the accuser was. Ultimately it was on me, so I accepted the blame for the huge fuck up from the jump and took it on the chin. He hasn’t really ever given me any shit over it, but I have given myself plenty over it and will likely apologize for the next ten years. Ironically, the MIA player is asked about nearly every single week by the accused as to when we will see him again. He has no clue it wasn’t all my mistake.

Lessons were learned by all, minus the fuckhead I booted from the game. I’m sure his dumb ass still thinks we are all working some angle against him, because that’s his mentality. Everyone else has gained some wisdom and the accused and I are now much closer friends than we likely ever would have been, otherwise. He’s a 22 year old kid and I’m 51. Made total sense to just make it a “I’m 51 and therefore don’t know shit about tech” type argument. I mentioned it was brought to my attention that perhaps he was using software on his phone for help, but I didn’t know anything beyond that and it was my job as host to protect the integrity of the game for all. I never mentioned who brought it to my attention and to his credit, he never asked.

The other player will be back. I’m sure of that. We chat via text a couple times a week. He’s a good person. He just made a mistake and feels awful about it. He’s too young to realize that’s part of being young. You make mistakes, you own them and you move on. Some of the best things in my life only came after owning a mistake I’d made. He will get there in time.
 
Thank you for all of the feedback!

Background: This game has been running for about 1-1.5 years. We started at 0.50/1 and somehow grew to a 5/5 game. Everyone is around the same skill level (I'm pretty sure money was going around in circles). But the past 3-4 months have been much different, with lots of money funneling towards the strong player - and many of the weaker players getting extinguished.
  1. I'm not worried about cheating. We have a dedicated dealer and there does not seem to be any funny business.
  2. The player has mentioned that they started receiving coaching. I can see a lot more calculated aggression and pressure on everyone. I personally am fine with it, I enjoy the challenge, but I do see other players getting stacked/wiped out.
Originally my biggest concern was the health of the game. But as I read through everyone's responses, it sounds like this is unavoidable. As the game evolves, players will improve and everyone will have to adapt or be willing to tolerate this - "quit whining and get better" :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I'll also try reaching out to the players that haven't come in a while to see what happened.
 
He isn’t around by design. It wasn’t voluntary.

He’s not gone for good. He’s just working up the courage to show his face. I’ve assured him there’s no bad blood and threw myself under the bus. I never let the accused know who the accuser was. Ultimately it was on me, so I accepted the blame for the huge fuck up from the jump and took it on the chin. He hasn’t really ever given me any shit over it, but I have given myself plenty over it and will likely apologize for the next ten years. Ironically, the MIA player is asked about nearly every single week by the accused as to when we will see him again. He has no clue it wasn’t all my mistake.

Lessons were learned by all, minus the fuckhead I booted from the game. I’m sure his dumb ass still thinks we are all working some angle against him, because that’s his mentality. Everyone else has gained some wisdom and the accused and I are now much closer friends than we likely ever would have been, otherwise. He’s a 22 year old kid and I’m 51. Made total sense to just make it a “I’m 51 and therefore don’t know shit about tech” type argument. I mentioned it was brought to my attention that perhaps he was using software on his phone for help, but I didn’t know anything beyond that and it was my job as host to protect the integrity of the game for all. I never mentioned who brought it to my attention and to his credit, he never asked.

The other player will be back. I’m sure of that. We chat via text a couple times a week. He’s a good person. He just made a mistake and feels awful about it. He’s too young to realize that’s part of being young. You make mistakes, you own them and you move on. Some of the best things in my life only came after owning a mistake I’d made. He will get there in time.
Wholesome resolution is wholesome.
 
Originally my biggest concern was the health of the game. But as I read through everyone's responses, it sounds like this is unavoidable. As the game evolves, players will improve and everyone will have to adapt or be willing to tolerate this - "quit whining and get better" :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
This is true, but in reality a lot of people won't adapt. They'll hit a loss limit or just get tired and quit.

What are the buy-in limits for your game? I ask because the deeper your game plays, the more likely it's a source of major advantage for your shark, and if it's deep, you may want to consider scaling it down. Shallower games give casual players a better chance of leaving with some of their money once in a while.

Also, consider adding gambley features like props or a nightly high-hand jackpot or whatever. Anything that spreads money around on chance alone.

In all of this is a simple lesson: The shark will keep coming back no matter what. He's getting paid to play cards. It's the paying players you need to work to retain.
 
Thank you for all of the feedback!

Background: This game has been running for about 1-1.5 years. We started at 0.50/1 and somehow grew to a 5/5 game. Everyone is around the same skill level (I'm pretty sure money was going around in circles). But the past 3-4 months have been much different, with lots of money funneling towards the strong player - and many of the weaker players getting extinguished.
  1. I'm not worried about cheating. We have a dedicated dealer and there does not seem to be any funny business.
  2. The player has mentioned that they started receiving coaching. I can see a lot more calculated aggression and pressure on everyone. I personally am fine with it, I enjoy the challenge, but I do see other players getting stacked/wiped out.
Originally my biggest concern was the health of the game. But as I read through everyone's responses, it sounds like this is unavoidable. As the game evolves, players will improve and everyone will have to adapt or be willing to tolerate this - "quit whining and get better" :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I'll also try reaching out to the players that haven't come in a while to see what happened.
Coaching works, you’d be amazed at how much better some players get - it’s not just the information it’s also a renewed excitement about the mechanics of the game and focus on what information you can use while you’re playing etc.

Is he three betting more? Folding to raises more? Barreling turns? You can tell if they’ve made adjustments and it can be fun to adjust to tougher games unless it becomes a game that isn’t fun anymore. (Try bellagio)

Also in my game if a guy books two big wins in a row someone is going to want him booted, just the way regs get. They expect the host to find a bunch of whales that love to dump money instead of getting better at poker.
 
Thank you for all of the feedback!

Background: This game has been running for about 1-1.5 years. We started at 0.50/1 and somehow grew to a 5/5 game. Everyone is around the same skill level (I'm pretty sure money was going around in circles). But the past 3-4 months have been much different, with lots of money funneling towards the strong player - and many of the weaker players getting extinguished.
  1. I'm not worried about cheating. We have a dedicated dealer and there does not seem to be any funny business.
  2. The player has mentioned that they started receiving coaching. I can see a lot more calculated aggression and pressure on everyone. I personally am fine with it, I enjoy the challenge, but I do see other players getting stacked/wiped out.
Originally my biggest concern was the health of the game. But as I read through everyone's responses, it sounds like this is unavoidable. As the game evolves, players will improve and everyone will have to adapt or be willing to tolerate this - "quit whining and get better" :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I'll also try reaching out to the players that haven't come in a while to see what happened.
Your main concern as host should be the health of the game. Legit or not, if a player comes in and their style rubs the room wrongly either deal with it or play that player heads up moving forward because that might be your only participant.
 
So it's option B: They were incensed about losing and assumed he must be cheating in some unseen way. The phone was just a convenient point of accusation.

I worry sometimes about playing with inexperienced people for exactly this reason. I have a thread on 2+2 about being accused of cheating by some clueless blowhard who listed "BLACK JACK," all caps, in the field on my Meetup group where I asked about people's favorite forms of power.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/24/home-poker/cheating-accusation-against-me-1373496

Short version: She claimed that most of the players, plus myself, conspired to spend several hours and use hundreds of dollars in specialized equipment (including marked cards and special glasses to see the marks, though I don't wear glasses) to cheat her stupid ass out of $40 total, half of which was in rolled quarters.* She threatened to call the cops on my next game and everything. I'm glad she never did, and I'm also glad she didn't make this accusation at the table because it could have broken my game before it even had a chance to get rolling.

Good riddance to your false accusers.

The nitwit brought rolled quarters because she thought 0.25/0.25 NLHE meant we would be playing with piles of quarters, kitchen-table style.
LOL, I had forgotten about this thread. :D
 

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