Cash Game Pineapple: Discard then Bet, or Bet then Discard?? (1 Viewer)

[Gear]

I've struggled with this from time to time -- here's the scenario that I thought of:

You have on the button at a table of 8 players.

scenario 1: The first five players all limp (and discard.)

scenario 2: The first five players all fold.


It's my opinion that in scenario 1, you might be more likely to discard the and keep the (which has to play better against multiple opponents.)

However in scenario 2, you might be more likely to discard the and keep the if it's going to be at most 3 players to the flop.


Now, I'm not sure if this is an unfair advantage given to players in later position by making each player discard while acting, vs. having everyone discard (in any order) and THEN proceed with the betting round ... or if that is just part of the advantage of position in the game of Pineapple. That is, getting to see what everyone else is doing before having to decide which of your cards to throw away.

 

[Gear]

hehe, whoops, just realized I posted something similar in this thread already a few months ago

 

[churlbut18]

Yah I agree. Discarding while in the act seems slightly easier for the "home" game dealer to keep track of but offers some a slight positional advantage, while having everyone discard just prior to the flop (speaking of Pineapple not crazy pineapple) negates that slight advantage. I don't think it's that difficult for the dealer to ensure everyone has discarded just prior to the flop and as @detroitdad suggested, if a player forgets and it is not discovered/corrected, then that player's hand is dead. I don't think this element is enough to make me avoid playing what is otherwise a fun game, no matter which option you choose for your game.

 

[BGinGA]

do you have a specific moment your hand must be set when playing SOHE?

Yep..... on the player's action. Cards are set before any chips are moved forward to call or raise (or check, if big blind). Players can always set their hands prior to their action, but that's when it must be completed.

Easiest way to ensure that all hands are set before the flop is dealt.

 

[Forty4]

I feel, and maybe I'm wrong, that it should be done after the betting but before the board card(s) come out. That allows you to see the action and determine the value of your hand in your position. It's probably more of a relevant discussion if you were to consider a variant where you're discarding after some board cards are dealt. Also, should be easy for the dealer to keep track of as before you place the flop, turn, river you verify that everyone discarded.

 

[BGinGA]

Also, should be easy for the dealer to keep track of as before you place the flop, turn, river you verify that everyone discarded.

Might be easy, but not as easy as when it's done as part of each player's action. No verification required.

 

[Forty4]

Might be easy, but not as easy as when it's done as part of each player's action. No verification required.

But action after you might change how you would play your hand.

Trying to think of a good scenario but each one I keep typing it seems obvious what you'd do. So guess I'm wrong or don't play nearly enough to think of proper situations.

 

[bergs]

But action after you might change how you would play your hand.

Trying to think of a good scenario but each one I keep typing it seems obvious what you'd do. So guess I'm wrong or don't play nearly enough to think of proper situations.

If I had AAK with 2 spades on a ATJssx flop, I could absolutely see discarding a different card with one player in the hand versus 5 players.

Part of position is having players acting after you when you're out of position and getting the benefit of them acting before you when you're in position. If you're going to engineer the game to minimize the benefit/penalty aspect of position then just play fucking slapjack or acey-deucey.

 

[Ronoh]

Yep..... on the player's action. Cards are set before any chips are moved forward to call or raise (or check, if big blind). Players can always set their hands prior to their action, but that's when it must be completed.

Easiest way to ensure that all hands are set before the flop is dealt.

That's certainly not the way it's played at The Post I can't help but think playing SOHE that way would slow the game waaaaaaay down

 

[Poker Zombie]

I think whichever method used would be fine, as long as every player follows that order. Personally, I prefer "discard with your initial action" and give positional play a slightly greater advantage.

 

[BGinGA]

But action after you might change how you would play your hand.

That's true of any action. If you knew the action of players after you (fold, call, raise), you might change how you would play your hand. That's part of position. This isn't any different.

 

[rjbf65]

Only safe way to do this is to have each player verbally declare their action and have the dealer collect their discard before action moves to the next player. Yet another reason why this game sucks monkey balls and goose poop nuts.

Agreed with your assessment of this game. I never ever call for it, but a lot of guys in my area do. Give me a 4th card and lets play a real game.