Cash Game Pineapple: Discard then Bet, or Bet then Discard?? (1 Viewer)

[churlbut18]

In a community/flop game such as Pineapple where you have to discard, is there a correct procedure?

1) bet then discard
or
2) discard then bet
or
3) it doesn't matter

If you bet and then discard, could the betting actually influence which card you end up discarding depending on how many raises/calls there are in that betting round (given that basic strategy often suggests that you want to play big cards against fewer opponents and smaller pocket pairs, suited connectors, and drawing hands against more opponents)? If so, I would NOT think you would want that situation where you could decide your cards after the betting round.

On the surface, it seems like it would be better to discard and then bet so the betting is based solely on the cards that you plan to play and does not influence the decision of which card to discard.

Make sense? Thoughts?

 

[mike32]

In our game if it's crazy pineapple just make sure you discard before the turn card is exposed . Bets don't make any difference.

 

[detroitdad]

In our game if it's crazy pineapple just make sure you discard before the turn card is exposed . Bets don't make any difference.

Yep. ...in for this weekend BTW; )

 

[abby99]

I don't think it makes any significant difference to the game. I suspect that in most home games, the most difficult part would be all of the players consistently doing one before the other. I like to pick my battles, and this isn't one of them.

 

[detroitdad]

I don't think it makes any significant difference to the game. I suspect that in most home games, the most difficult part would be all of the players consistently doing one before the other. I like to pick my battles, and this isn't one of them.[/QUOTE


Lol....yes ma'am.....I don't care when you discard. As long as its before the flop

 

[moose]

Discard on your action, whether it is check, bet or raise

 

[churlbut18]

Discard on your action, whether it is check, bet or raise

Interesting...

 

[Rhodeman77]

We play everyone discards after the betting round is complete before the turn card comes out.

 

[Gear]

I think the question is whether to have the betting round separate from the discard round.

If you have a round of betting where everyone still has three cards, and THEN everyone discards a card, that could definitely influence how you played the hand. For example if you are dealt 7-8-8 and end up heads-up after betting, you might elect to keep the 8-8, but if there are five players after betting, you might keep the 7-8.

The solution is to have each player discard in turn, when it is their turn to act. Check/discard, bet/discard, or fold.

 

[GrumpyCatMalaka]

Interesting...

Some people discard when they act (check or bet) just so they don't forget. It's up to the dealer and others to make sure everyone has discarded before the turn.

Or you can play Lazy Pineapple and not discard at all.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

For our post-tournament cash games, it tends to be crazy pineapple, and we have all players discard prior to the start of the betting after the flop.

 

[churlbut18]

I think the question is whether to have the betting round separate from the discard round.

If you have a round of betting where everyone still has three cards, and THEN everyone discards a card, that could definitely influence how you played the hand. For example if you are dealt 7-8-8 and end up heads-up after betting, you might elect to keep the 8-8, but if there are five players after betting, you might keep the 7-8.

The solution is to have each player discard in turn, when it is their turn to act. Check/discard, bet/discard, or fold.

That's sort of the scenario I was thinking of where a full betting round before a full round of discarding could influence the discard. Thanks for an actual example.

I like the idea of discarding when the action is to you which is what @moose suggested too.

I was originally thinking to have everyone discard, then have everyone bet, but doing both at the same time as the action gets to each player makes great sense and might speed things up a bit too.

Thanks guys.

 

[BGinGA]

Discard on your action, whether it is fold, check, bet or raise

^ FYP

And that's how we do it, too. The dealer collects card(s) from each player during their action -- either one card, or all three.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I think the question is whether to have the betting round separate from the discard round.

If you have a round of betting where everyone still has three cards, and THEN everyone discards a card, that could definitely influence how you played the hand. For example if you are dealt 7-8-8 and end up heads-up after betting, you might elect to keep the 8-8, but if there are five players after betting, you might keep the 7-8.

The solution is to have each player discard in turn, when it is their turn to act. Check/discard, bet/discard, or fold.

Which in my opinion is what makes for the most interesting part of the game, deciding what to toss. When doing it after the betting is complete it gives everyone that information and creates some interesting discard choices. Watching people squirm in their seats is half the fun!

 

[CdnBeerLover]

For example if you are dealt 7-8-8 and end up heads-up after betting, you might elect to keep the 8-8, but if there are five players after betting, you might keep the 7.

If you discard in turn, though, the above situation could apply to the player in position, correct? After all, they've seen the action before them before choosing to discard. Playing in position is already an advantage, and this gives it even more strength.

 

[churlbut18]

If you discard in turn, though, the above situation could apply to the player in position, correct? After all, they've seen the action before them before choosing to discard. Playing in position is already an advantage, and this gives it even more strength.

Valid point. To avoid giving even more advantage to the button, having everyone discard prior to the betting round would be the alternative.

 

[BGinGA]

being forced to discard when I plan on folding on my action seems pretty stupid.

 

[churlbut18]

being forced to discard when I plan on folding on my action seems pretty stupid.

Right. Also valid.

Ok, I think I'm good. Thx all.

 

[moose]

I think the question is whether to have the betting round separate from the discard round.

If you have a round of betting where everyone still has three cards, and THEN everyone discards a card, that could definitely influence how you played the hand. For example if you are dealt 7-8-8 and end up heads-up after betting, you might elect to keep the 8-8, but if there are five players after betting, you might keep the 7-8.

The solution is to have each player discard in turn, when it is their turn to act. Check/discard, bet/discard, or fold.

+1 this

 

[courage]

It matters.

In my game it's preferably discard on your action but we allow players until the next street is turned to discard in the interest of speeding up the game. What you can't do is discard (which is a check) then bet, which potentially can angle the game.

 

[MaxB]

I have always played with the discard after the betting is done.

 

[brains613]

We discard when it's the players action. Tossing one card in the middle without a verbal declaration counts as a check. Players will often place their bet on the top of their discard and push them both toward the center.

 

[TheBigTater]

We discard when it's the players action. Tossing one card in the middle without a verbal declaration counts as a check. Players will often place their bet on the top and their discard and push them both toward the center.

I like this ^^ procedure, this would be preferable, but I have played it both ways, discard on the action and discard after the betting round.

If you discard in turn, though, the above situation could apply to the player in position, correct? After all, they've seen the action before them before choosing to discard. Playing in position is already an advantage, and this gives it even more strength.

Position is suppose to be an advantage, I can't see it being any more of an advantage than being in position in a draw game and seeing everyone draw ahead of you before you decide how many to draw or stand pat.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

Can't argue with that.

 

[Mental Nomad]

When I described Crazy Pineapple to my crew, I described it as "basically, discarding when you bet." This left some of them thinking that you don't discard on a check, and raises the prospect of not discarding until the turn (or river) if it's checking around. Interesting thought experiment.

Has anyone actually played it that way?

 

[JoseRijo]

Some people discard when they act (check or bet) just so they don't forget. It's up to the dealer and others to make sure everyone has discarded before the turn.

Or you can play Lazy Pineapple and not discard at all.

Where is the DISLIKE button? Or should we just ban people like this?

My first thought was, "obviously you discard on your action." But having everyone discard immediately before the turn is probably a lot less error prone. If the dealer forgets and displays the turn, then you could revert the game to lazy (provided the dealer isn't prone to angle shooting).

 

[churlbut18]

Where is the DISLIKE button? Or should we just ban people like this?

Dislike what? Ban who?

 

[bergs]

Only safe way to do this is to have each player verbally declare their action and have the dealer collect their discard before action moves to the next player. Yet another reason why this game sucks monkey balls and goose poop nuts.

 

[detroitdad]

Where is the DISLIKE button? Or should we just ban people like this?

My first thought was, "obviously you discard on your action." But having everyone discard immediately before the turn is probably a lot less error prone. If the dealer forgets and displays the turn, then you could revert the game to lazy (provided the dealer isn't prone to angle shooting).

If you forget to discard before the turn card is exposed your hand is dead. No way around it.

 

[Ronoh]

I can't understand why it would matter. As long as you've discarded before the flop you're good.

For those who seem to think there is a "correct moment" for each individual to discard I have to ask... do you have a specific moment your hand must be set when playing SOHE? I've played with many of you and I've never seen/heard of one (besides the obvious "before the flop"). If you don't, why not?