Paulson size variance... never seen this before!

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So unpacked some more Isle Casino chips today... threw them.in a rack and it just didn't look right!
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Do my eyes deceive me or is that height differences... hmm go I grabbed a mic.
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And the majority
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Well I'll be damned... 1200 chip set all other racks are perfectly the same size except 24 in this particular rack? Just curious how often does this occur? None of these have been flattened which can cause this but never seen them made like this before.
Figured I would share.

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According to this dataset, once every 50 chips.
I just mean that we own probably close to 10k in paulson chips and I have never seen this in any of the other sets... I'm sure it has been discussed and I'm just being a lazy idiot... not doing the proper reserch... just new to me I guess. But that was a funny response!!
 

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Aren't Paulson chips lathed? Somebody must have knocked the lathe out of whack for an afternoon.
I would just think when the casino took ownership those would have been rejected when you look across a sea of matching racks... and then see a size variance. Maybe chippers are just too picky!!
 

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I just mean that we own probably close to 10k in paulson chips and I have never seen this in any of the other sets
Yeah, I hear ya. It's not super common but neither is it unheard of. I've seen it in a handful of racks, including one of the boat chip racks if memory serves. I suspect it happens more than we know because casino used chips are more plentiful in the home market than virgin chips.

I bet those inconsistencies would drive craps dealers absolutely batty.
 

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I would just think when the casino took ownership those would have been rejected when you look across a sea of matching racks... and then see a size variance
Two things here...
- I suspect there is much more tolerance when it comes to NCV racks rather than value racks
- The personnel inspecting the shipments are far, far more concerned about validating quantity vs quality; any grossly botched chips, be they in inlay, stamp, or size, are more likely to simply be removed from ciruclation. It's possible a size discrepancy wouldn't be found if an entire rack is mis-sized. If the entire order is botched such as a spelling error on the stamp or inlay then those chips will typically be scheduled for destruction (if a Nevada casino) or cancelation (See Grand Casino Hinkley, et. al.). Also, fun fact (and I believe Spragg was the source of this): If the quantity is off at all, the ENTIRE order is invalidated and is shipped back.

Maybe [custom and hobby] chippers are just too picky!!
Oh, we are far, FAR more picky than casino customers.

Like, way more picky.
 

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Hard to eyeball boxed chips...
And I doubt they use natural sunlight (the best) for inspection purposes either!! There is also one oversized hundo in there and one undersized T500 as well... not a huge deal just seems like typically Paulsons QC is more on point than this! If they make me (45) more of the T1ks and (6) more T5s (bounties) I will forget I ever noticed! Lol
 

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I’ve had lots of Paulson thc like this. Maybe not quite as exaggerated every time but close. Both old school leaded and I think even some new NAGB chips
 

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I’ve had lots of Paulson thc like this. Maybe not quite as exaggerated every time but close. Both old school leaded and I think even some new NAGB chips
Odd.. I am pretty picky and never noticed any other issues on other sets but definitely going to be on the look out now... not that it really matters, still love the chips!! I guess I could have just posted in things that make you go Hmm.... because this one definitely applies!
 

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I thought it would bug me too but got em all in play and once the chips mixed up I didn’t even notice anymore
 

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I thought it would bug me too but got em all in play and once the chips mixed up I didn’t even notice anymore
I'm sure in play I could care less but then those 24 chips are going to be mixed across my 3 racks! I'll be spending the next day in the sun light picking them out and putting them all back together again!!! My OCD is awful!! But I think I can handle this one... just going to be a pain!! Makes them look warped in the racks the way they are
 

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The odd sized chips are fakes. Old counterfeiter trick.
Lol if you are going to go through the trouble of making counterfeit tourney chips for a small casino... wouldn't you at least make T100 or T500s... I understand not going for high denoms and being obvious... but damn T5s?? Lmao good one Dave
 

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Aren't Paulson chips lathed? Somebody must have knocked the lathe out of whack for an afternoon.
We are talking 0.14mm or .0055 inches. Very likely within tolerance. My assumption is these were made in separate batches and one batch was turned on the lathe after the other batch. Perhaps Paulson has a few lathes in operation at once... and the stops are set ever so slightly different.

Its not noticeable until the batches are mixed... so the casino... when first racking them would not be intermixing batches... additionally, why would a casino care enough to reject a lot.
 

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We are talking 0.14mm or .0055 inches. Very likely within tolerance. My assumption is these were made in separate batches and one batch was turned on the lathe after the other batch. Perhaps Paulson has a few lathes in operation at once... and the stops are set ever so slightly different.

Its not noticeable until the batches are mixed... so the casino... when first racking them would not be intermixing batches... additionally, why would a casino care enough to reject a lot.
Because isn't the chip buyer in each casino a chipoholic like us? It would be an absolute shame to have that many chips at your finger tips and not share the same love and admiration as we do for them here on PCF?

Also I am curious who has the final say on chips before the order is confirmed? Every single chip in the Isle Casino follows your standard pink/white/red/green/black/purple... nope wait a minute... the T500 for this one casino is Orange and the T1000s is purple... I don't believe they would only change one chip in a traditional.line up... somebody screwed up!! Then paulson didn't even make the call and ask... are you sure this is what you want? Or maybe paulson made them backwards, and maybe sold them at a cheaper value?

I think its unique and pretty cool, but also think it was a flat out mistake! Anyone else's thoughts on the subject?
 

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Ben, I've noticed this a couple times before - once in the mint Cleveland Horseshoe $25 secondaries (RHC), and another time with some new off-white Paulson THC solids that came from different places/different casinos, one batch was slightly bigger than the other batch.

Thoughts:
- it's much more noticable/more pronounced using certain plastic racks. I had the same thing happen like your photo below, I think what's happening is the slightly larger diameter chips are being 'propped' up higher and supported by only the edges of the rack in the barrel, and the slightly smaller diameter chips are dropping down more fully into the curved section of the barrel. Different racks may have slightly different spacing, different tolerances for the dimensions of the barrel and curved section.
- When i took the same chips and either put them in a white chip box, or put them out on the poker table in stacks, the difference was way less noticeable, even not noticeable at all unless you know about it and are looking for it.

I thought it would bug me too but got em all in play and once the chips mixed up I didn’t even notice anymore
^^ this.

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Because isn't the chip buyer in each casino a chipoholic like us?
Not even remotely. It's worth noting that many casinos just let GPI choose the spots for them, at least initially. Often times casinos are looking for the most cost effective option, thus the rise of ICON chips. Some (most?) don't know the difference between top hat and cane molds.

Also I am curious who has the final say on chips before the order is confirmed?
Often times the truly final say resides at the state regulatory boards. The Nevada Gaming Comission posts monthly reports on approved new issues. I don't know who has final say at the casino level, but at a minimum both their casino manager and their security chief would have their eyes on it before pressing go. As for base colors, this is also often dictated by individual state game commissions.
 

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Not even remotely. It's worth noting that many casinos just let GPI choose the spots for them, at least initially. Often times casinos are looking for the most cost effective option, thus the rise of ICON chips. Some (most?) don't know the difference between top hat and cane molds.


Often times the truly final say resides at the state regulatory boards. The Nevada Gaming Comission posts monthly reports on approved new issues. I don't know who has final say at the casino level, but at a minimum both their casino manager and their security chief would have their eyes on it before pressing go. As for base colors, this is also often dictated by individual state game commissions.
Wow!! Thank you taking time for the in depth response. It may often go without saying but the new generation of chippers truly do appreciate the Veterans years of knowledge, when you guys take the time to share some of us truly stop to take in that tide bit of knowledge, so again thank you sir!
 

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Because isn't the chip buyer in each casino a chipoholic like us? It would be an absolute shame to have that many chips at your finger tips and not share the same love and admiration as we do for them here on PCF?

Also I am curious who has the final say on chips before the order is confirmed? Every single chip in the Isle Casino follows your standard pink/white/red/green/black/purple... nope wait a minute... the T500 for this one casino is Orange and the T1000s is purple... I don't believe they would only change one chip in a traditional.line up... somebody screwed up!! Then paulson didn't even make the call and ask... are you sure this is what you want? Or maybe paulson made them backwards, and maybe sold them at a cheaper value?

I think its unique and pretty cool, but also think it was a flat out mistake! Anyone else's thoughts on the subject?

Wrong. In many states the gaming commission requires that the $500 chip be orange. See the PCA $500 and many others.
 

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Every single chip in the Isle Casino follows your standard pink/white/red/green/black/purple
Just as an FYI, neither California nor Nevada have state-mandated base color schemes. Ohio, Oklahoma, and many others, however, do have those regulations in place. Some also dictated shapes/faux shapes on inlays once upon a time. Not sure if they still do.
 

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Wrong. In many states the gaming commission requires that the $500 chip be orange. See the PCA $500 and many others.
I was referring to NCV chips not value chips. Many Missouri Tournament 500 chips are purple and not orange sir. I was not "wrong"... but thanks
 

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I just mean that we own probably close to 10k in paulson chips and I have never seen this in any of the other sets... I'm sure it has been discussed and I'm just being a lazy idiot... not doing the proper reserch... just new to me I guess. But that was a funny response!!
I noticed that on my mint HS cincy 1’s
 

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Jus weed em out an replace em that’s what I do :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
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