Cash Game Omaha Bring In (2 Viewers)

[rjbf65]

I have noticed some posts indicating Omaha games that had a "bring in" bet. I've never played that way before in a PLO game. Does it mean you aren't allowed to limp in? What is the reason for it?

My thoughts is it would cut down the amount of family pots or multi way pots, which would be nice. Lots and lots of limping in my local games.

Say we normally have .25-.50 stakes and the bring in is $1. Does this mean the first player entering the pot in PLO can put in a bet of anywhere between $1 and $1.75?

 

[Rhodeman77]

Casinos do it to keep the $1 chips out of the pot. Game plays faster, easier for the dealer to keep track of pot bets.

 

[rjbf65]

Casinos do it to keep the $1 chips out of the pot. Game plays faster, easier for the dealer to keep track of pot bets.

I'm guessing this is $1-2 with a $5 bring in? I'm curious how much it affects the game.

 

[Payback]

Casinos do it to keep the $1 chips out of the pot. Game plays faster, easier for the dealer to keep track of pot bets.

And I do it in my game as op described to get rid of quarters. With this in place you can't limp for the BB but must limp for the bring in. For opening raises I allow $1-$4 for $0.25/0.50 blinds essentially counting each blind as $1 for the purpose of "pot."

 

[Payback]

I'm guessing this is $1-2 with a $5 bring in? I'm curious how much it affects the game.

Yes. Essentially it makes it a 2/5 game, but as it's Omaha it bigger than the typical holdem game.

 

[rjbf65]

And I do it in my game as op described to get rid of quarters. With this in place you can't limp for the BB but must limp for the bring in. For opening raises I allow $1-$4 for $0.25/0.50 blinds essentially counting each blind as $1 for the purpose of "pot."

How deep do your players buy in for? We have played .25-.25 PLO before where the max opening raise was to $1. That's not enough to really get anyone out. The .25-.50 is a little bit better at $1.75. But I like your idea of $4. I just don't want it to play too big for our groups comfort level. But everyone limping in and trying to hit the nuts all the time gets a little old too.

 

[Payback]

How deep do your players buy in for? We have played .25-.25 PLO before where the max opening raise was to $1. That's not enough to really get anyone out. The .25-.50 is a little bit better at $1.75. But I like your idea of $4. I just don't want it to play too big for our groups comfort level. But everyone limping in and trying to hit the nuts all the time gets a little old too.

Max is $125 and most buy in for $80-125.

 

[DrStrange]

A pot limit game with a pile of quarters in the pot to count is a PAIN IN THE ASS. I expect the same concept applies to dollar chips in a five dollar game. We use a bring in bet of a dollar playing $0.25 / $0.50 to keep things simple. And we don't allow bets with fractions, only whole dollars.

This will let the game play a bit larger. However the most important thing is it lets the game run faster and smoother.

DrStrange

 

[rjbf65]

A pot limit game with a pile of quarters in the pot to count is a PAIN IN THE ASS. I expect the same concept applies to dollar chips in a five dollar game. We use a bring in bet of a dollar playing $0.25 / $0.50 to keep things simple. And we don't allow bets with fractions, only whole dollars.

This will let the game play a bit larger. However the most important thing is it lets the game run faster and smoother.

DrStrange

I'm thinking of trying the $1 bring in rule next time but also treat the first max raise as if the blinds were .50-.50 so it would be $2. Should make the math easier for the future streets and maybe curb the limp every hand because I have 4 cards crowd.

 

[upNdown]

A pot limit game with a pile of quarters in the pot to count is a PAIN IN THE ASS. I expect the same concept applies to dollar chips in a five dollar game. We use a bring in bet of a dollar playing $0.25 / $0.50 to keep things simple. And we don't allow bets with fractions, only whole dollars.

This will let the game play a bit larger. However the most important thing is it lets the game run faster and smoother.

DrStrange

Then why aren't you just playing 1/1?
(I'm not used to PL games, so there's probably an obvious answer to this)

 

[Rhodeman77]

Then why aren't you just playing 1/1?
(I'm not used to PL games, so there's probably an obvious answer to this)

Having the lower blinds gives players the sense that they are playing a smaller game than they actually are. So it can be used to attract players that wouldn't play a $1/1 game normally.

Also it does help keep the pot a little smaller preflop. In a $1/1 game the open raise would be $4 (sometimes rounded to $5 to make it simpler). While in the $.25/.50 game the open would be $2. That can make the betting on later streets much different in a multi-way pot.

 

[Payback]

Having the lower blinds gives players the sense that they are playing a smaller game than they actually are. So it can be used to attract players that wouldn't play a $1/1 game normally.

This plus:

Then why aren't you just playing 1/1?
(I'm not used to PL games, so there's probably an obvious answer to this)

The blinds cost you $0.75 an orbit this way, the other way it costs $2. Essentially they are the same if you play your blinds all the time, but for people that are folding their blinds it makes a big difference.

 

[rjbf65]

I have considered simply switching it to No Limit Omaha as I think it would still play similar and I wouldn't have to keep track of every pot like I do now. It goes something like this.

"How much can I bet?"

"Looks like $5.75"

"Ok, how did you figure that up?"

Then I explain the call x 3 plus rest of the pot formula and I get blank stares.

 

[moose]

Problem is that NL Omaha is also called Flipaments for Stacks.

 

[mashoo]

How about doing a spread limit on each street? Max bet pre flop, on flop, turn, and river can be $5, $5, $10 & $20 respectfully? I use that for my .25c+.25c Omaha game

 

[onerand]

Yes. Essentially it makes it a 2/5 game, but as it's Omaha it bigger than the typical holdem game.

Agreed. The blinds count as $5 together for easy math, so the opener can limp for 5, bet 10 or pot for a max 15. If one guy limps, next can pot to 20. Must bet in $5 incriments at the casino game. If you have 104 and you move all in, you can only bet 100, as the last 4 does not play.

We often play PLO with 25c - 50c blinds. Just round to nearest dollar on flop and nearest 5 after pot crosses 25 or so to keep it simple.

 

[Dutchie83]

There is only one “real” reason why casino’s invented the “bring in” used in poker rooms as Aria in Las Vegas. They use the rake structure for a $1/$2 table for an actually bigger game as the bring in is $5. In this way they take rake of 10% with maximum of $5 isstead of something like 5% with a maximum of $5. But the casino will try to believe you it has an operational reason.