Cash Game No Limit/Limit rotation (1 Viewer)

[Phantom]

Still learning about limit (particularly for Holdem), and was wondering how you guys arrange your Holdem' games between limit and no limit. As there are obvious differences in the structure of the sets, it seems unlikely that you would rotate after each round during a session.

If you run a 25c/25c - 50c NLHE game, and say, a $1/$2 limit game, what do you personally do;

(a) have a dedicate NLHE session one day, and then a limit game another day;
(b) swap out sets and play NLHE first, and then limit in the same session; or
(c) other (please explain).

Is it the case for anyone that you have chosen one more than the other - (started NLHE, but now only play Limit)?

I plan on playing the following 25c/25c - 50c NL/PL games with my 25c/$1/$5 set -

Holdem and Omaha.

If I get a limit set, I would plan on playing the following $1/$2 games with 50c/$10 chips -

Holdem
Omaha
7-card Stud
5-card Draw

Cheers,
Adam

 

[joepro]

"All of the above?" Limit poker is my favorite, but I haven't been able to play actual limit anywhere but a casino. I have hosted games and my friends are older, more into the pot limit or low level spread limit. I would love to play a true limit session with friends but they would have no idea how to bet and it wouldn't be so enjoyable. If you have a regular crew looking for something new it could work. It helps if some players have limit experience or a dedicated dealer.

Have fun! And yes, a limit set of chips should have as few denominations as possible to speed up the game.

edit: I went back and actually read your thread, what chips are you currently using? If you can get more of the same quarters and $5's, you could build your limit game around that existing set. If the stakes get higher, add a $20 or $25, don't buy $10's.

 

[Jambine]

We play everything and never have a problem with the chip set.
I know I'll get some boos here but ALL my sets are........ Non-Denom

 

[joepro]

We play everything and never have a problem with the chip set.
I know I'll get some boos here but ALL my sets are........ Non-Denom

Non denom is great for limit, as betting is easily determined by the "number of chips," esp. if they are all the same color.

 

[dew4au]

I know I'll get some boos here but ALL my sets are........ Non-Denom

You savage!

 

[joepro]

There was a guy "emptypocs" on another blue chip site, he was the king of non-denom chips. He had some really awesome sets, I don't know if he made the great migration, but he was a good poster.

 

[detroitdad]

Still learning about limit (particularly for Holdem), and was wondering how you guys arrange your Holdem' games between limit and no limit

The one limit game I hosted was simple. We didn't play NLHE It was only a limit game, Dealers Choice .

@ChaosRock has hosted a mixed NLHE/FL PLO game a couple of times. Its interesting. Rotations go like this NLHE/FL PLO/NLHE/FL PLO8. Honestly, I don't think its my preferred rotation. The games/betting styles are two different for me to handle. I think I would prefer all "No Limit or PLO" or all "Fixed Limit".

 

[BGinGA]

Boo.

 

[BGinGA]

We run a Dealer's Choice tournament, where the button chooses the game from the current game type category (20 minute levels, game changes every orbit, game type category changes every hour).

Game type categories are Fixed-Limit (Badugi, Razzaho, Scrotum, Drawmaha), Stud (Stud, Stud8, Razz, Pitch-n-Bitch). No-Limit (NLHE, Crazy Pineapple, Tahoe, Super-Hold'em), and Pot-Limit (Omaha, O8, SOHE, BigO8), Once it reaches the fifth hour, any No-Limit or Pot-Limit category game can be called.

Works fine with a standard tourney chip set.

 

[churlbut18]

My recommendation (or at least my personal preference) is NOT to mix Limit and NL games in the same session. I prefer an entire session dedicated to Limit poker so you can get into a flow and grind it out. The nature of Limit games is going to have you trying to grow your stacks gradually over the course of the session. I would hate to do an orbit of Limit, get in the grove, and then have to switch mindset to NL. Ugh.

As for games, there is a great thread that just focuses on preferences for what games to play in a mixed game session. The thread title is "Mixed Cash Games (it's all about the games!!)".

My preference as far as Limit game rotation is to stick only to community/flop variants and stay away from draw and stud games. We focus on Limit Hold'em, Pineapple (Lazy & Crazy variants too), and Omaha Hi. This gives us a 2 card game, 3 card game, and 4 card game. It's a good foundation to build from.

 

[Jambine]

There was a guy "emptypocs" on another blue chip site, he was the king of non-denom chips. He had some really awesome sets, I don't know if he made the great migration, but he was a good poster.

Have not seen EmptyPocs in a long time. He really did have an awesome collection of BCC

 

[Phantom]

Okay, I see that some are happy to mix games during the session and include limit and NL. With regard to the massive stacks of single denom chips used in a limit game, as opposed to the more modest stacks and varied denoms in NL, how do you handle that?

If you have $50.00 Buy-in for 25c/50c NLHE or PLO and you have stacks of 16 x 25c, 21 x $1, and 4 x $5 (6 to 7-handed), how do you transition to a $1/$2 limit game in the same session that uses 100 x .50 chips per player?

Is it the case that 'theoretically' (without invoking the 'moar chips is better' clause), you can still play limit with the same denoms used in NL? Granted it doesn't look as cool and the betting is purportedly cumbersome, but for those doing this transition in 20 minute blocks, how do you do it?

The reason I was thinking a 50c chip would work, is that we would play either .50/$1 limit (1/2 chip structure), or $1/$2 (2/4 chip structure). If I just added heaps of 25c to the existing set, we may just be stuck at .50/1 limit as a 4/8 chip structure would be cumbersome if we moved up to 1/2..

Cheers,
Adam

 

[rjbf65]

The one limit game I hosted was simple. We didn't play NLHE It was only a limit game, Dealers Choice .

@ChaosRock has hosted a mixed NLHE/FL PLO game a couple of times. Its interesting. Rotations go like this NLHE/FL PLO/NLHE/FL PLO8. Honestly, I don't think its my preferred rotation. The games/betting styles are two different for me to handle. I think I would prefer all "No Limit or PLO" or all "Fixed Limit".

Fixed Limit Pot Limit Omaha??

 

[Phantom]

NLHE or LE or PLO thx

 

[ChaosRock]

Hey Adam!

Yeah, I ran a mixed No-limi/Limit game a couple of times the past couple of weeks... NLHE/L-O/NLHE/L-O8... It worked pretty well in terms of mechanics.

First, you need to look at how deep the No-Limit games will run. For example, I wanted to have the Limit side playing $4/$8 with a buy-in of $200 but the the No-Limit side would be a bit too rich to players who like to re-buy a lot and play for stacks often.

So I decide to lower the Limit to $2/$4 and start the game with a buy-in of $100 to $140. All players went max, of course.

For stacks, I used a bit of fracs for the NL blinds (50¢/50¢), 2.5 barrels of $1s (for the Limit games) per player and the rest in $5s... Again, from a mechanics perspective, the game played flawlessly... Enough $1s for the Limit, enough $5s for the No-Limit once people started to re-buy... Re-buys with $5s only...

Maybe you can get this example and try to adapt for the limits you wanna play... I do think you need to have a bunch of chips on the Limit side... Maybe not a full rack, because of the rotation, but at least 2 barrels per player, maybe even 2.5 barrels at least...

I hope it helps man...

 

[Phantom]

Hey Adam!

Yeah, I ran a mixed No-limi/Limit game a couple of times the past couple of weeks... NLHE/L-O/NLHE/L-O8... It worked pretty well in terms of mechanics.

First, you need to look at how deep the No-Limit games will run. For example, I wanted to have the Limit side playing $4/$8 with a buy-in of $200 but the the No-Limit side would be a bit too rich to players who like to re-buy a lot and play for stacks often.

So I decide to lower the Limit to $2/$4 and start the game with a buy-in of $100 to $140. All players went max, of course.

For stacks, I used a bit of fracs for the NL blinds (50¢/50¢), 2.5 barrels of $1s (for the Limit games) per player and the rest in $5s... Again, from a mechanics perspective, the game played flawlessly... Enough $1s for the Limit, enough $5s for the No-Limit once people started to re-buy... Re-buys with $5s only...

Maybe you can get this example and try to adapt for the limits you wanna play... I do think you need to have a bunch of chips on the Limit side... Maybe not a full rack, because of the rotation, but at least 2 barrels per player, maybe even 2.5 barrels at least...

I hope it helps man...

Thanks mate, appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

I'll experiment with the chips I have at the moment to see if the crew like the concept of limit, then revisit what stakes and denoms I will need to have. we play 25c/25c NLHE 1/month, with a $25 Buy-in (no rebuys at the moment as no one really busts out). I am thinking of keeping the 25c/25c blinds but increasing the buy-in to a $50 max. If the action heats up and pots start getting bigger, they may enjoy a change to limit. If I go the limit route, depending on pot sizes, I will probably start with .50/1, see how they go. If it catches on, I will need more quarters, as I only have enough for 1 barrel per player at the moment. If I go 1/2 I will need 50c and I will make sure they have at least 3 barrels each.

Thanks again mate ,

Cheers,
Adam

 

[Payback]

We do a ton of mix games of this nature and run $2/4 limit games or $3/6 limit games to match our $0.25/0.50 NL/PL games. Max buy in is $125 and from there the NL/PL rounds play at full stacks. You could limit those rounds to #bbs if you wanted (100 or 200) so the swings aren't as big in comparison to the limit rounds. For these games I run a rack of quarters on the table about $800 ones and everything else in $20. That way there is enough ones to play a normal limit game, but still have some big chips for the NL/PL rounds. All of our regular players can handle chips real well so that structure works real well for us otherwise you could use $5 chips.

 

[Phantom]

We do a ton of mix games of this nature and run $2/4 limit games or $3/6 limit games to match our $0.25/0.50 NL/PL games. Max buy in is $125 and from there the NL/PL rounds play at full stacks. You could limit those rounds to #bbs if you wanted (100 or 200) so the swings aren't as big in comparison to the limit rounds. For these games I run a rack of quarters on the table about $800 ones and everything else in $20. That way there is enough ones to play a normal limit game, but still have some big chips for the NL/PL rounds. All of our regular players can handle chips real well so that structure works real well for us otherwise you could use $5 chips.

Thanks mate, great info.

 

[detroitdad]

Hey Adam!

Yeah, I ran a mixed No-limi/Limit game a couple of times the past couple of weeks... NLHE/L-O/NLHE/L-O8... It worked pretty well in terms of mechanics.

First, you need to look at how deep the No-Limit games will run. For example, I wanted to have the Limit side playing $4/$8 with a buy-in of $200 but the the No-Limit side would be a bit too rich to players who like to re-buy a lot and play for stacks often.

So I decide to lower the Limit to $2/$4 and start the game with a buy-in of $100 to $140. All players went max, of course.

For stacks, I used a bit of fracs for the NL blinds (50¢/50¢), 2.5 barrels of $1s (for the Limit games) per player and the rest in $5s... Again, from a mechanics perspective, the game played flawlessly... Enough $1s for the Limit, enough $5s for the No-Limit once people started to re-buy... Re-buys with $5s only...

Maybe you can get this example and try to adapt for the limits you wanna play... I do think you need to have a bunch of chips on the Limit side... Maybe not a full rack, because of the rotation, but at least 2 barrels per player, maybe even 2.5 barrels at least...

I hope it helps man...

I don't remember the breakdown that you gave us to start the night with. It worked perfect. At no time did I feel short on chips during the limit rotations (other than when I kept losing them).

 

[Shaggy]

On occasion I will run two hours of 2/4 limit prior to the main NLHE game. On these nights I will use a set that has at least 6 racks of ones. The buyins will be just ones and $20s.

At the end of the two hours, I'll color up 5 racks of $1 into $5 and a rack of 25c. It's pretty smooth.