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Negreanu's Roid Rage (7 Viewers)
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SiouxperStack
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Shaun Deeb actually tweeted out for Daniel to be banned so some people are calling for his head but Polk is just being Polk.
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What if he said what he did and then followed it up “and you’re going to love it” ?
Still a threat of sexual violence or foreplay?
Kain8
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I'm not saying that Doug is entirely blameless. His channel needed content, this is what he made. You can take it or leave it. I have a good feeling that if Daniel had an honest dialog and came out as repentant with what he said in the first place, Doug would have left him alone.
But Daniel never wanted to be an adult of addressing this head on. Which gives more fuel to the notion of him being completely invested in only himself and not poker as a whole when he's been so vocal in tackling other issues like TDA rules.
My spin on Daniel's blow-up is different from what I have seen posted. I improved my game by playing NLHE against old school seven card stud players at the casino. They are far more composed than players who started out playing NLHE.
It is a card game. Deal with your issues away from the table.
Perfect case in a point happened a week ago Wednesday when I called off my stack in a three player $1/$2 Omaha hand with Ace high dog-shit against an aggro player who had ace high with a pair of three's. I turned a seven giving me a better pair and we both whiffed the river.
He felt compelled to involve the tournament players at the other table by turning around and telling them how lucky I got against him. One player and his wife were still in the tournament. She said "Well, you get lucky too." He spun around and snapped "Shut the fuck up." Chaos ensued. Her husband sitting directly behind him got in his face to tell him that no one talks to his wife that way. He refused to apologize, basically brushing off the verbal attack as theater and bullying. This caused the husband to get out of his seat and physically threaten Mr. Aggro. Neither one would give.
Two players from the table got up to restrain the husband from putting his words into action. Mr. Aggro stood up to go outside for a smoke, but forgot his lighter. He walked back into the room as the other players were taking their sets, but before the Husband had time to sit down, resulting in a second confrontation.
The host ended it by cashing us out and telling Mr. Aggro to leave.
Witnessing this first hand, it is clear that neither player considered the repercussions of their actions. I am convinced that the Husband, who could have mopped the floor with Mr. Aggro, was never going to follow thru with his threats, no more than Daniel Negreanu. He had plenty of opportunity to do so before the other players interceded. He wasn't going to knock the guys teeth in because he didn't want to risk getting into legal trouble over something relatively inconsequential.
Mr. Aggro lacked the self awareness to deescalate the situation by simply saying "Hey, I didn't mean it. Let's play cards." Hence, the only outcome to protect the ego's of the players involved was to end the cash game and send people home. Makes for good story telling, but it is certainly less entertaining for those still in the tournament and the two of us at the cash table.
The moral of the story is be aware of the fact that you are not alone at the table and that your actions can have a detrimental impact on others who are there to play cards and have a good time.
It is a card game. Deal with your issues away from the table.
Perfect case in a point happened a week ago Wednesday when I called off my stack in a three player $1/$2 Omaha hand with Ace high dog-shit against an aggro player who had ace high with a pair of three's. I turned a seven giving me a better pair and we both whiffed the river.
He felt compelled to involve the tournament players at the other table by turning around and telling them how lucky I got against him. One player and his wife were still in the tournament. She said "Well, you get lucky too." He spun around and snapped "Shut the fuck up." Chaos ensued. Her husband sitting directly behind him got in his face to tell him that no one talks to his wife that way. He refused to apologize, basically brushing off the verbal attack as theater and bullying. This caused the husband to get out of his seat and physically threaten Mr. Aggro. Neither one would give.
Two players from the table got up to restrain the husband from putting his words into action. Mr. Aggro stood up to go outside for a smoke, but forgot his lighter. He walked back into the room as the other players were taking their sets, but before the Husband had time to sit down, resulting in a second confrontation.
The host ended it by cashing us out and telling Mr. Aggro to leave.
Witnessing this first hand, it is clear that neither player considered the repercussions of their actions. I am convinced that the Husband, who could have mopped the floor with Mr. Aggro, was never going to follow thru with his threats, no more than Daniel Negreanu. He had plenty of opportunity to do so before the other players interceded. He wasn't going to knock the guys teeth in because he didn't want to risk getting into legal trouble over something relatively inconsequential.
Mr. Aggro lacked the self awareness to deescalate the situation by simply saying "Hey, I didn't mean it. Let's play cards." Hence, the only outcome to protect the ego's of the players involved was to end the cash game and send people home. Makes for good story telling, but it is certainly less entertaining for those still in the tournament and the two of us at the cash table.
The moral of the story is be aware of the fact that you are not alone at the table and that your actions can have a detrimental impact on others who are there to play cards and have a good time.
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It’s a lower “adult” bar for Doug to not be proactively and consistently trolling Daniel for years than for Daniel to say he was wrong on one of his personal views imo.
Either way makes for good entertainment and that’s the business both of them are in. Look at how much attention it’s already got here... its only going to lead to more views and more money for the both of them regardless of the ban.
You mean like this?
https://fullcontactpoker.com/thoughts-rake/
I'm not saying this absolves him of anything, but it's a hell of a lot more adult than Polk's content.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Scene 13: The morning light breaks through the curtains rousing Tony the Tiger from his few hours of sleep. Bleary-eyed, Tony drags himself out of bed, past the 3 hooker-lionesses lying on the floor. He cuts out 3 lines of coke onto a mirror from a Tony-Montana sized mountain of the powdered drug. He snorts the first two, and then scoops the third onto a bowl of flakes.
One of the lionesses raises her head at the crunching sound of dry flakes. "Are those any good without milk?"
"They-r-r-r-r-e Great!"
Chippy McChiperson
4 of a Kind
I mean Polk got Limon fired from LaTB, so...
Cliffs, Chippy?
Legend5555
Full House
From what I know of the incident I don't think Doug was the ultimate deciding factor there.
Scene 24: Pawn shop exterior - Tony's smoking a sigaret while wearing sunglasses and leaning against the open window. Inside is Jerry Jackal, the pawn shop owner/hitman for hire arranger.
JJ: "Heya Tony"
TT: "Hi Jerry, what's up?"
JJ: "The usual. An African dictator who needs to be taken care of, several mobsters who are caught in the middle of a turf war..."
TT: "Aw, come on Jerry, nothing fun today?"
JJ: "How about some poker wusses who are having an online catfight? Consider it a pallet cleanser?"
Tony sighs, visibly exasperated
JJ: "What are you thinking Tony?"
TT: "Just that I'm grrrrrrrowing tired of this shit."
- End Scene -
Not a sentence I ever expected to read in my life, not going to lie!
So you are allowed to troll people constantly if you disagree with their opinion? Okay, fair enough if that's how you feel.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I really enjoyed dNegs vlogs last year, and I like the persona he at least tries to put forward.
It's easy for me to agree with those that said Daniel was at least somewhat justified in his rant. I have made similar rants in my day. One got me an official hand-slap when I made it online, for violating the ToS. Say something bad, even if justified, and suffer the consequences. I doubt many could make a similar statement in their workplace (and let's be clear, this is Negreanu's workplace) and not suffer some sort of penalty.
I've also watched many Doug Polk videos. I don't really like Polk, but when his videos are posted here, I will watch the link to stay informed. Polk is a douche, but he is frequently correct. His trolling on the "More Rake" topic was actually epic, and I like good entertainment. But only a douche or a 6-year old would keep bringing up their one big victory. It's time to move on.
I'm not sure if Polk actually had done anything to get Negreanu banned. The universe is full of "fans" that cannot stand to hear their hero say something foul. Case in point, celebrity chef Alton Brown has been doing a YouTube series, but he dropped a couple F-bombs. Not against anyone, just a real person making a real exclamation when something went wrong (and alcohol was involved). YouTube cracked down on him, because people complained. Nobody is watching Alton's series unless they are big fans. Still he got complaints, and had to move the series to "Adults only" content.
Negreanu's rant was off the rails. Worse, it was against a slight that few-to-no people actually saw. He deserves a penalty of some sort, suspension or a complete ban. Making an open threat of violence isn't ok. It is even less acceptable when you are a public figure that may have crazed psycho-fans looking to carry out your "wishes". Daniel will lose some fans from this, and will lose a little income. He may even lose some sponsors or sponsor potential. I doubt some all-natural vegan company wants to use a spokesperson that wants to feed people teeth analy.
For Doug Polk, losing out on one source of dNegs fodder can't be helpful either. It's his one trick pony. Killing it hurts Polk's bottom line too. Again, I don't like Doug Polk, but he is capable of thinking 2 moves ahead.
It's easy for me to agree with those that said Daniel was at least somewhat justified in his rant. I have made similar rants in my day. One got me an official hand-slap when I made it online, for violating the ToS. Say something bad, even if justified, and suffer the consequences. I doubt many could make a similar statement in their workplace (and let's be clear, this is Negreanu's workplace) and not suffer some sort of penalty.
I've also watched many Doug Polk videos. I don't really like Polk, but when his videos are posted here, I will watch the link to stay informed. Polk is a douche, but he is frequently correct. His trolling on the "More Rake" topic was actually epic, and I like good entertainment. But only a douche or a 6-year old would keep bringing up their one big victory. It's time to move on.
I'm not sure if Polk actually had done anything to get Negreanu banned. The universe is full of "fans" that cannot stand to hear their hero say something foul. Case in point, celebrity chef Alton Brown has been doing a YouTube series, but he dropped a couple F-bombs. Not against anyone, just a real person making a real exclamation when something went wrong (and alcohol was involved). YouTube cracked down on him, because people complained. Nobody is watching Alton's series unless they are big fans. Still he got complaints, and had to move the series to "Adults only" content.
Negreanu's rant was off the rails. Worse, it was against a slight that few-to-no people actually saw. He deserves a penalty of some sort, suspension or a complete ban. Making an open threat of violence isn't ok. It is even less acceptable when you are a public figure that may have crazed psycho-fans looking to carry out your "wishes". Daniel will lose some fans from this, and will lose a little income. He may even lose some sponsors or sponsor potential. I doubt some all-natural vegan company wants to use a spokesperson that wants to feed people teeth analy.
For Doug Polk, losing out on one source of dNegs fodder can't be helpful either. It's his one trick pony. Killing it hurts Polk's bottom line too. Again, I don't like Doug Polk, but he is capable of thinking 2 moves ahead.
Geremie
Full House
Do you insert broken teeth anally or rectally? Asking for a friend.
Legend5555
Full House
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
I mean, you can't be all loosey-goosey at the table eating a sandwich anally
Heaven knows we've all tried.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
What the fuck are you talking about? What saying?
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
"You need to understand that everything you do at the poker table, conveys information."
Really PCF? Four pages of comments and no one is going to make fun of the YouTube "Masterclass" ad? You have let me down.
Really PCF? Four pages of comments and no one is going to make fun of the YouTube "Masterclass" ad? You have let me down.
Frogzilla
4 of a Kind
hard to hate on a “don’t eat sandwiches at a poker table” PSA. That’s just good advice, even when we aren’t in a pandemic
Legend5555
Full House
That fruit hangs too low.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I was in Vegas that year for the WSOP, and saw the sign. I was already aware of the whole "More Rake" debacle, but I didn't know that Polk was going to escalate it to a billboard on the interstate.
I don't have to like a guy to give him props. Well played Doug, well played.
I don't really care much for or against Negreanu. He was entertaining to watch back in the day, but I don't follow him or really think much about him one way or the other. That said, I think a permaban from Twitch is a severe overreaction to a moment where he got out of line.
Doug Polk is a trolling asshole. Let it go, man.
It's a take on "shear a sheep many times, skin a sheep once" that seems maybe a little contrived but is far from what Polk tries to present it as.
EDIT: Polk, not Poke
Doug Polk is a trolling asshole. Let it go, man.
I read the linked article, and I get what he's saying. It's not the "hurr durr rake is good" take that Polk has been trying to push for several years. He's talking about specific instances where low-rake games populated heavily by pros can drive recreational players away and ultimately kill the game.
It's a take on "shear a sheep many times, skin a sheep once" that seems maybe a little contrived but is far from what Polk tries to present it as.
EDIT: Polk, not Poke
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There was some truth to daniel's take on the rake. But it would have been more palatable if he'd said "Well if we're stuck with higher rake, here's an upside . . ."
Never heard of Doug Polk! Negreanu is a legend! That being said, who gives 2 shits what a loser who hides behind a social media account says about anything?
All you have to do with a douchebag like Polk is take his money at the table.
So glad I’m not up to date on current douchebags in poker.
All you have to do with a douchebag like Polk is take his money at the table.
So glad I’m not up to date on current douchebags in poker.
Chippy McChiperson
4 of a Kind
It's been awhile, so my apologies if I don't get this 100% correct. Polk was due to appear on LatB back in 2017 at the peak of his fame, and either didn't show up or was very late, and then Limon being Limon talked shit about him. Limon (who had been a staple) gets canned within a week, supposedly because Polk threw a hissy fit. Here's the clip...
https://www.twitch.tv/liveatthebike...ium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=clips_viewing
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