Murdering a Shape Inlay? (2 Viewers)

[Nickyboom]

Hi PCF,

What options are there for murdering a chip with a shaped inlay?

Can I label with laminated smooth label once murdered? OR is the only option once murdered i would need another shaped inlay to replace? or to not murder the chip and over label?

Thanks for the help in advance!

 

[davislane]

whats the chip you are looking to change the inlay on? that will affect the advice people will give you.

 

[Nickyboom]

Sorry see picture of chip for reference.

 

[JWC]

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If shaped = round, I would handle that like it’s round.

 

[jamesjkim]

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That's a faux-shaped label. The inlay is actually a circle label.

To answer your question, if the inlay is truly shaped, you would need a shaped label to relabel it properly (which @Gear offers I believe). Otherwise, you will be better off overlabeling it.

 

[davislane]

Sorry see picture of chip for reference. View attachment 1624559

overlabel or murder. what ever you preference is on that chip. Generally, a shaped inlay means you have leaded chips often from a desirable casino, so murdering shaped inlays is frowned upon by part of the community who want to preserve tbe history of the hobby.

 

[Nickyboom]

That's a faux-shaped label. The inlay is actually a circle label.

To answer your question, if the inlay is truly shaped, you would need a shaped label to relabel it properly (which @Gear offers I believe). Otherwise, you will be better off overlabeling it.

Is the only way to tell if this is a faux label by murdering a chip? Or should I be able to tell by looking at the label closely?

 

[suchj0sh]

You can tell just by looking at it, may take some time to develop your eye for these things.

That is indeed a round inlay.

 

[upNdown]

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Huh. I never noticed that they put faux texture on a faux shaped inlay.

 

[sleepypiggly]

Huh. I never noticed that they put faux texture on a faux shaped inlay.

I don't think it's "faux texture," it's just how 4-color process (halftone) printing works to give you the desired shade/hue. It's not supposed to be perceptible to our eyes without magnification.

 

[jamesjkim]

Is the only way to tell if this is a faux label by murdering a chip? Or should I be able to tell by looking at the label closely?

The outer portion of the shaped inlay would be clay and (I want to say in all cases) is the base color of the chip.

Shaped examples:


Faux shaped: You can clearly see the area outside the shape is a different color than the base of the chip (and definitely not clay).

 

[suchj0sh]

Huh. I never noticed that they put faux texture on a faux shaped inlay.

Me neither. My HSI’s have a similar kind of thing going on too:

I agree, not texture, but interesting nonetheless. OP, this is another example of a faux shaped inlay.

 

[Colquhoun]

Me neither. My HSI’s have a similar kind of thing going on too:

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I agree, not texture, but interesting nonetheless. OP, this is another example of a faux shaped inlay.

CMYK rosettes, a condition from 4-color printing.

 

[Nickyboom]

The outer portion of the shaped inlay would be clay and (I want to say in all cases) is the base color of the chip.

Shaped examples:
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Faux shaped: You can clearly see the area outside the shape is a different color than the base of the chip (and definitely not clay).
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So i should be able to murder this chip and put a full circle label without having any issues?

 

[WedgeRock]

So i should be able to murder this chip and put a full circle label without having any issues?

 

[upNdown]

So i should be able to murder this chip and put a full circle label without having any issues?

yes. But it would be a lot cheaper and easier to just label right over the existing inlay.

 

[sleepypiggly]

CMYK rosettes, a condition from 4-color printing.
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It's the attack of the halftones!

 

[Kam]

Suggest to OP to check my relabel adventure here (mix of how not to do it and learner curve) I murdered just over a 1,000 indiana grands / horseshoes:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/first-cpc-cash-set-draft-design.102904/post-2593824

In short, those newer chips are all labels that come off. I would also recommend you check out ‘overlabel’ options, can be a lot simpler and easier.

GL

 

[BGinGA]

Is the only way to tell if this is a faux label by murdering a chip? Or should I be able to tell by looking at the label closely?

Pretty sure that all (or nearly all) real cut shaped inlays are only found on Paulson's mostly-older TH&C mold chips (although some newer THC re-orders have had real shaped inlays for consistency).

But iirc, all other Paulson mold chips (RHC, lammer, card-pip/suits, PAULSON CHIPS, 36mm, 41mm, 43mm IHC, 48mm FHC, 50mm, etc.) only have round inlays (with some being printed as faux-shaped). Also true of nearly all THC molds manufactured since the GPI merger.

Could be wrong, as memory isn't what it once was, and too lazy to research.

 

[ChippinUp]

Here’s a nice example what not to do. I murdered a sacrificial chip tonight with a shaped inlay. Then attempted to mill it….

 

[ChippinUp]

You can see the marks left over from the original shaped inlay impression. The depth is also too deep which is a result of taking off too much clay so the shaped recess is eliminated.

 

[Santa123]

Here’s a nice example what not to do. I murdered a sacrificial chip tonight with a shaped inlay. Then attempted to mill it….

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[SwissChip]

I would not recommend to overlabel if there is a textured laminate on the original chip.
Ok if smooth, but would choose unlaminated labels to avoid spinners.
If you want to color match a future faux shape, send a sample chip to @Gear
They do awesome work!

 

[Nickyboom]

thank you everyone for the insights and advice!

 

[bigblind]

Looks like inlay is round

 

[jamesjkim]

Here’s a nice example what not to do. I murdered a sacrificial chip tonight with a shaped inlay. Then attempted to mill it….

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Yes, please don't do this. Especially on a chip with plentiful non-shaped fantasy alternatives available.

 

[ChippinUp]

Yes, please don't do this. Especially on a chip with plentiful non-shaped fantasy alternatives available.

 

[jamesjkim]

 

[tallsbutler]

CMYK rosettes, a condition from 4-color printing.
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This guy knows ball

 

[Rhodeman77]

The Cleveland Horseshoe $2.50 chip is very easy to replace the inlay. As others have said, it is a round inlay, not shaped.