Tourney Most use of T500 chip (1 Viewer)

[P0k3rch1p]

I have found a chipset from which I find the purple one with value 500 really stunning. I was wondering: in which base tournament setup is the T500 chip being used in play the most?

 

[jja412]

I'm no expert, but I would hazard a guess that a tourney set starting with T100 for base chip would use a lot of T500s.

 

[SixSpeedFury]

A structure of 25-100-500-2000-10000 will heavily use the 500 chips.

 

[tabletalker7]

The problem with the T500 chip is not itself, but the existence and widespread use of a T1000 chip. If you love the T500 chip, consider a relabel project to make a T2500 chip for that set and eliminate the T1000. That will ensure your T500 chip gets real usage.

 

[dmoney]

I would guess T5 or T25 - depending on how many players, they could be issued in starting stacks and never colored up, aka always in play.

 

[chutracheese]

T500 is great!
Borrowed from a @BGinGA post. (If not okay, I'll gladly remove.)

Close, but your schedule doesn't maintain 50%-67% increases (L2 is only a 33% increase in total blinds, while L3 is 75% and L4 is 71%). You aren't calculating the total increase in blinds per level (which isn't the same percentage as the BB increase when the SB isn't .5*BB). You can also simultaneously color-up the T5000 chips at your L10 if you change L12 to 75K/150K (see below).



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[chutracheese]

And this...

If you have 100x T500 chips in the set, I like this particular format a lot, and it can be tailored to fit a 3-hour time frame:

T150K starting stacks:
10 x T500
10 x T1000
9 x T5000
4 x T10000
2 x T25000
---------------
35 chips = T150000

Alternately, you can drop the T10K chips and go with T100K stacks (10/10/7/2), and use the T10K chips for up to four re-buys. In either case, use the spare T5000 chips to color-up the T500 and T1000 chips (30 total required).

The following blind structure will typically run right at 3 hours using 20 minute blind levels with 10 players:

lvl sb bb
L1 500 1000
L2 1000 2000
L3 1500 3000
L4 2500 5000
remove T500 chips
L5 4000 8000
L6 6000 12000
remove T1000 chips
L7 10000 20000
L8 15000 30000
L9 25000 50000 *** EOT
L10 40000 80000
L11 60000 120000
L12 100000 200000

After L2, all blind increases range between 50% and 67%, averaging 63% overall. It's a much smoother progression with less dramatic jumps, still finishing in 3 hours but without the 100% increases that really drive short-stack all-ins.

I don't think you need any additional chips at all. (y) :thumbsup:

 

[chutracheese]

I love the simplistic 400-chip T500-base tournament set. All you need is a single rack of each denomination per table (so 400 chips for 10 players, 800 chips for 20, etc.), and it gets lots of those (usually) gorgeous upper denomination chips in play:

10 x T500
10 x T1000
7 x T5000
10 x T25000
------------
37 chips = T300K stacks

The extra 30 x T5000 chips color-up the T500/T1000 chips with perfect efficiency.

You can also withhold 4x T25K chips (10/10/7/6) to create smaller T200K starting stacks, allowing up to five re-buys with the extra 40x T25Ks. With 500/1000 opening blinds, it's 300bb to start or 200bb with re-buys. A single-table 300K event has three million chips in play.

Of course, starting stacks can always be smaller if desired (10/10/7 is just T50K), or anything between 50K and 300K stacks. It's a very versatile set, and it's generally pretty easy to top off existing larger T25-base sets by adding a few extra T5000s and T25Ks to gain the high-denom tourney option.


Below is a great blind schedule for T500-base sets, with blind increases mostly ranging between 33%-50%, averaging 39% overall.

It can be used for anything from a ten-player 2.5-hour T50K turbo (15-min levels) to a four-table 10-hour T300K marathon (30-min levels) and everything in-between -- simply by custom-tailoring the starting stack sizes, number of players, and blind level times to generate the desired length and style of event:

lvl sb bb
L1 500 1000
L2 500 1500
L3 1000 2000
L4 1500 3000
remove T500 chips
L5 2000 4000
L6 3000 6000
(optional end re-buys, 50bb)
L7 4000 8000
L8 6000 12000
L9 8000 16000
remove T1000 chips
(optional end re-buys, 19bb)
L10 10000 20000
L11 15000 30000
L12 20000 40000
L13 25000 50000 ** EOT 10x100K
L14 35000 70000 ** EOT 10x150K
remove T5000 chips (optional - requires 5x T100K chips or 20x T25K chips)
L15 50000 100000 ** EOT 10x200K (or 20xT100K)
L16 75000 150000 ** EOT 10x300K
L17 100000 200000 ** EOT 20x200K
L18 150000 300000 ** EOT 20x300K
L19 200000 400000 ** EOT 40x200K
L20 250000 500000 ** EOT 40x300K
L21 350000 700000
remove T25000 chips (requires 25x T100k chips)
L22 500000 1000000
L23 750000 1500000

You get the idea.

 

[mnebesny]

I find the purple one with value 500 really stunning

Pron?

 

[dmoney]

@P0k3rch1p can you clarify your question in the first post? I think I misunderstood.

Are you looking for the tourney that gets the most t500 chips on the table?

or the tourney that keeps the t500 in play the longest?

 

[JustinInMN]

I was wondering: in which base tournament setup is the T500 chip being used in play the most?

I believe the answer is certainly base T5.

The 500 chip would be in play the entire time and never colored up. (Much like the T1000 in base T25.)

The T1000 chip is probably unnecessary in a base T5 set, meaning the T500 shines.

Starting stacks of 10/10/7/2 would work and just get extra T500s for all color ups and re-entries.

 

[dmoney]

I believe the answer is certainly base T5.

The 500 chip would be in play the entire time and never colored up. (Much like the T1000 in base T25.)

The T1000 chip is probably unnecessary in a base T5 set, meaning the T500 shines.

Starting stacks of 10/10/7/2 would work and just get extra T500s for all color ups and re-entries.

I agree with this.

Although in a STT 12/12/5/6 (t25 base, t10k stacks) the t500 doesn't get colored up until the last few levels, and there are 5 on the table per player for the majority of the game.

 

[P0k3rch1p]

@P0k3rch1p can you clarify your question in the first post? I think I misunderstood.

Are you looking for the tourney that gets the most t500 chips on the table?

or the tourney that keeps the t500 in play the longest?

Actually both haha

Thanks for all the replies guys. It is much appreciated!

A structure of 25-100-500-2000-10000 will heavily use the 500 chips.

How much of each chip would I need for a STT (max 10 players) and what starting stack?

 

[JustinInMN]

I agree with this.

Although in a STT 12/12/5/6 (t25 base, t10k stacks) the t500 doesn't get colored up until the last few levels, and there are 5 on the table per player for the majority of the game.

That's a good point too. Most home tournaments at base T25 would not require 3 color ups.

 

[JustinInMN]

Here's a good thread on the ups and downs of the T2000 chip.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/has-the-t2-000-chip-fallen-out-of-favor.28932/#post-536211

This isn't actually the thread I was looking for, I thought someone did a deep analysis about how the efficiency isn't really improved unless it's a larger field and deeper stack tournament.

 

[dmoney]

@P0k3rch1p I think it would be helpful if you posted the breakdown of your set....and photos of your chips!

 

[P0k3rch1p]

@P0k3rch1p I think it would be helpful if you posted the breakdown of your set....and photos of your chips!

I haven't bought a chipset yet. I have several in mind and bought lots of samples. But with one set I really love the purple 500. I'm still debating on slugged VS non slugged. So I compare all of them. Right now I have samples of ceramics, slugged Monte Carlos, non slugged Joker Casino (nexgen I believe). Showdowns and Mint are on the way as wel as some Progen80 and Euro labeled spirit mold 'clays'.

 

[BGinGA]

For a single table set, the most usage a T500 chip will see is usually with a T25-base set. With starting stacks of 12/12/5/6/x, there will be 50x T500 chips in play, typically for the duration of the event.

A single-table T5-base set (10/10/7/2 stacks) will also keep the T500s in play for the entire tournament, but there will be far fewer of them in play (less than 30 total) and they won't get used much until the second half of the event.

If going with a T100-base set, there will typically be 60x T500 chips in play (10/6/11/x stacks), but they will get colored-up and removed roughly half-way through the event.

With a single-table T500-base set, there are 100x T500s in play (10/10/7/x stacks) -- but they get removed after only 4 blind levels or so.

However, for larger events (those with multiple tables and large starting stacks of 25K+), a T25-base set that uses a T2000 chip (instead of T1000) easily presents the opportunity for the most T500 chip usage. The starting numbers are higher (12/12/9/x per player -- meaning 90x T500 chips per table), and all are likely remain in play for the duration of the entire tournament.

 

[P0k3rch1p]

For a single table set, the most usage a T500 chip will see is usually with a T25-base set. With starting stacks of 12/12/5/6/x, there will be 50x T500 chips in play, typically for the duration of the event.

A single-table T5-base set (10/10/7/2 stacks) will also keep the T500s in play for the entire tournament, but there will be far fewer of them in play (less than 30 total) and they won't get used much until the second half of the event.

If going with a T100-base set, there will typically be 60x T500 chips in play (10/6/11/x stacks), but they will get colored-up and removed roughly half-way through the event.

With a single-table T500-base set, there are 100x T500s in play (10/10/7/x stacks) -- but they get removed after only 4 blind levels or so.

However, for larger events (those with multiple tables and large starting stacks of 25K+), a T25-base set that uses a T2000 chip (instead of T1000) easily presents the opportunity for the most T500 chip usage. The starting numbers are higher (12/12/9/x per player -- meaning 90x T500 chips per table), and all are likely remain in play for the duration of the entire tournament.

Thanks for the elaboration and explanation. I think I might have to go with a T25. Too bad those chips only come in 1 through 1000 (talking about the spirit mold labeled euro set). So that would have to be a T5 tourney. Or I have to find some T5000 spirit mold euro label chips.

I have to say, I like the look of them the most in the pictures, but I still have to receive those chips to feel them and see them in person. I also really like the showdown design and spades&sword mold. When I have all those samples in hand, I van compare and then decide what set to buy.

Thanks to all who have replied!

 

[P0k3rch1p]

Is it possible to run a STT with T25 base, 10k starting stack with only T25, T100, T500 and T1000 chips? The spirit mold chips only go to T1000 with this seller and I want to play a T25 base tourney. It is a 500 piece case. If it is playable with 12/12/5/6, with one rebuy per player and one add-on, how much chips of these denominations I need?

 

[JustinInMN]

Is it possible to run a STT with T25 base, 10k starting stack with only T25, T100, T500 and T1000 chips? The spirit mold chips only go to T1000 with this seller and I want to play a T25 base tourney. It is a 500 piece case. If it is playable with 12/12/5/6, with one rebuy per player and one add-on, how much chips of these denominations I need?

I would think so. The T5000 chips are mostly for accomodating reentries and color ups, so they might be handy in the end game. But I usually just suggest T5000 chips to fill out a base T25 set, but I don't think T5000 chips are essential to the functioning of a smaller tournament anyway.

 

[P0k3rch1p]

I would think so. The T5000 chips are mostly for accomodations reentries and color ups, so they might be handy in the end game. But I usually just suggest T5000 chips to fill out a base T25 set, but I don't think T5000 chips are essential to the functioning of a smaller tournament anyway.

Thanks for the reply Justin.
So with 12/12/5/6 starting stacks, with one rebuy per player and one add-on, how much chips of each denomination (25/100/500/1000) do you think I need? I have to buy a 500 piece chipset in increments of 25. But if I'm counting correctly, I would be over 500 chips if everyone would rebuy and add-on.

Looking forward to your or anyones thoughts.

 

[dmoney]

If you modify the t100 breakdown from this thread (h/t @Legend5555) to replace the t5k and fill the 500-chip case I think you could do just about anything you want with 10 players.

Maybe something like:
120 x 25
120 x 100
60 x 500 (10 more than needed for starting stacks, could be used for add-ons/with 1st rebuy/color up)
200 x 1000 (140 more than needed for starting stacks, go nuts)

 

[JustinInMN]

If 10 players, I guess you need at least
125/125/50/75 so that's 375 If you did the rest in 1000 then 125/125/50/200.

So 60 of the T1k would go in starting stacks, probably reserve another 15 for color ups. So 125 extra T1k chips covers 12 re entries. The add on makes it tough though if everyone would do it.

You might have to consider an 8/8/4/7 starting stack instead in that ccase or maybe making the add on a smaller number. Many ways to tackle this.

 

[dmoney]

I have to buy a 500 piece chipset in increments of 25

Maybe something like:
120 x 25
120 x 100
60 x 500
200 x 1000