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[T_Chan]

I was running a fundraiser 2 weeks ago and this situation came up. I was acting as TD, working the room, I get called over to help with an all in situation to help calculate side pots.

I didn't do the math, I just matched stacks to make the piles, the hand plays out and I leave. Pocket 7's wins with a set. Cards get tossed to the person who's about to shuffle across the table and then one of the cards tossed to him is from the wrong deck. The person who won the pot, who was holding pocket 7's, had 2 different color cards which nobody noticed. The chips have already been pushed into his stack, people don't remember how much was bet by whom since there was several players by the turn but heads up by the river.

What's the ruling?

 

[Payback]

Fouled deck so everyone gets back all their blinds, antes, and bets. Do the best you can to reconstruct the betting and give that amount back to every player from pocket 7's stack.

 

[Blaster]

I was running a fundraiser 2 weeks ago and this situation came up. I was acting as TD, working the room, I get called over to help with an all in situation to help calculate side pots.

I didn't do the math, I just matched stacks to make the piles, the hand plays out and I leave. Pocket 7's wins with a set. Cards get tossed to the person who's about to shuffle across the table and then one of the cards tossed to him is from the wrong deck. The person who won the pot, who was holding pocket 7's, had 2 different color cards which nobody noticed. The chips have already been pushed into his stack, people don't remember how much was bet by whom since there was several players by the turn but heads up by the river.

What's the ruling?

 

[BGinGA]

No kidding.

 

[Milo013]

Curious that no one noticed two different card backs during the play of the hand . . . or the deal itself. How different were the card backs?

As to divvying up the chips, no matter WHAT the ruling was, someone was bound to be pissed off.

 

[BGinGA]

Pocket 7's wins with a set. Cards get tossed to the person who's about to shuffle across the table and then one of the cards tossed to him is from the wrong deck. The person who won the pot, who was holding pocket 7's, had 2 different color cards which nobody noticed. The chips have already been pushed into his stack, people don't remember how much was bet by whom since there was several players by the turn but heads up by the river.

What's the ruling?

According to Robert's Rules of Poker:

In this case, a foreign card was discovered after the hand was over, and the pot has already been awarded. It's history -- on to the next hand (presumably with a valid and verified deck).

However, if a foreign card in play had been discovered during the hand, then all action is void, and all chips in the pot are returned to the respective bettors.

But if a foreign card is discovered in the unused deck stub, all action stands.


Interesting sidebar: "One or more cards missing from the deck does not invalidate the results of a hand." So next time when Bob 'discovers' that he forgot to surrender his AA from last hand, it won't stop Chuck from collecting the pot he just won with a deck containing only two aces. This is true even if they are discovered during the hand. Action continues with all players having knowledge that the aces are missing.

 

[upNdown]

Curious that no one noticed two different card backs during the play of the hand . . . or the deal itself. How different were the card backs?

As to divvying up the chips, no matter WHAT the ruling was, someone was bound to be pissed off.

I thought that too, but then I pictured it. If the player kept his two cards together, like we usually do, and it was the bottom card, I can totally understand how nobody noticed it during the hand.
But on the deal itself? Unless some amazing distraction was going on during the deal, all I can imagine is that the player "caught" the card as it was dealt, and kept it covered the whole time.
I can picture it; it could happen. But there's still no explaining how the dealer didn't notice.

 

[T_Chan]

Things were messed up indeed. It did not help the situation that there was a very, very loud, arrogant person at the table who was causing all sorts of trouble. People at that particular table were arguing and shouting at each other for a good part of the night, several of them asking me for a seat change. I think this along with drinking allowed the mistake to slip by unnoticed. But still... the deck backs were gold and blue, not very hard to notice the different cards. Then again I didn't notice either when I was called over to help with the all ins.

Ultimately, I ruled that too much action had passed and that the chips would stay with the winner.