Masterclass: Daniel Negreanu (1 Viewer)

[Lovejoyz]

That’s cool. I look forward to having my 12 year old son check out the class... he’s a bit of a chess prodigy(ish). I taught him the rules and the first game we played he took me down to 3 pieces (that was when he was 6 years old). He’s a bit of a wiz in a number of areas, but has some significant ADHD issues that challenge him in many ways.

We’d go on a beach vacation, and while everyone was at the pool or beach, he’d spend hours and hours playing the life size chess against old timers who’d stroll and by and chuckle at the youngster who was playing around with the chess pieces... I’d always suggest they give him a shot. He loves chess, but He’s never had any formal instruction, and just plays how his crazy brain tells him to (sometimes 3 moves ahead, sometimes like he has no idea what he’s doing...).

Here he was playing albino dragon (Gil) a number of years back... (after the MTTD 1...) albino dragon was no slouch.

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Beach resort fun... We even toyed with the idea of skipping his vacation and just buying the life sized chess board (would have been a whole lot cheaper)...

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Evan and I in a heated match... while Mrs. Honda naps on the couch behind us

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If this were Facebook I’d have button mashed the ‘Love’ button so many times. I have a 7 year old who also likes to play (he’s better than his 14 year old brother, who sucks really bad), but still doesn’t see too many moves ahead. So I just purchased the MasterClass. No doubt I’ll watch the poker, but he will get rad on the chess.

 

[derekdd23]

I am also interested in what you think about the class. I was wondering how much this class would help me in a home game setting, against a wide range of players.

a little background:
I only play at a casino a few times a year, and then only tournaments. I play mostly smaller home tournaments (10-30 players max) and low stakes ($20-$100), however, I started to play more cash games over the last couple of years. I have read a few books over the years so I know the basics and some advanced concepts, but have a hard time apply some of the advanced stuff to home games. Honestly, the more I read the worse I do in home games. I try to apply the concepts but I am not playing against pros, I find I do better just playing the player and worry less about the odds and over thinking things. The better I know the player the better I do, I tend to struggle more against unknown players.

I am a winning player overall in home games, I have kept stats and I up 23% over the last 10 years in home games. I have no idea if this is good or not. In the casino over that time I am a break even player.

For smaller home games most books kind of suck, you need to play a more exploitive game. Whenever anyone tells you to balance your range in a book or video don't do it because most people never notice or remember a thing. Your best bet is to remember their patterns and act accordingly. Daniel gives some pretty good advice on tells in the teaser trailer and says there is more in the video, if you master that you can almost certainly increase your win rate.

 

[BukNaked36]

Whenever anyone tells you to balance your range in a book or video don't do it because most people never notice or remember a thing.

Lolz - I've had this happen in casino games repeatedly.

I'm the most aggressive player at the table, so they're calling me down light. Time to go for some thin value.

Nope. They've got a set.

 

[gdiddy]

In poker you have to adjust to your game conditions. Learning to balance is important. So is learning when to balance.

 

[CantSpellPoker]

I purchased it a couple weeks ago, watched a few lessons, and then took a break for a Christmas, etc..

From what I watched, I liked it. Seems to be geared toward people who already have a decent idea how to play but are looking to improve their game. I like that most lessons have basic and advanced components. For instance, he explains what a C-bet is in the first place, but then goes into specifics re: how to use it. I will definitely continue watching.

I did spring for the all access and am interested in the cooking/wine classes as well.

 

[MacMac]

How long does it take you to get through 1 master class? Also, does it have an app so it can be done on a phone or iPad remotely, or is it strictly on a PC?
Also interested in the James Suckling wine master class.

 

[CantSpellPoker]

How long does it take you to get through 1 master class? Also, does it have an app so it can be done on a phone or iPad remotely, or is it strictly on a PC?
Also interested in the James Suckling wine master class.

Depends on the class. Some lessons are 8 minutes, others are a half hour. And the number of lessons is also class-dependent. I went through the Negreanu class (38 lessons of varying lengths) in a couple of days.

Yes, there's an app - I watch lessons on my iPad and my phone.

 

[chkmte]

How long does it take you to get through 1 master class? Also, does it have an app so it can be done on a phone or iPad remotely, or is it strictly on a PC?
Also interested in the James Suckling wine master class.

As to your first question, I buzzed through the Daniel Negreanu Masterclass in about 2 weeks. I believe there were about 35 chapters and each varied from a few minutes to 10-12 minutes each. However, that was simply watching each clip and moving forward without really working on each segment. I think I'll go through it again in the coming months so that I can work through the content more thoroughly.

Masterclass does have an app and it's done right IMO. You should have no problem watching the content from your phone.

I'd like to look at that wine Masterclass as well. I'm unsure how long it is.

 

[CantSpellPoker]

As to your first question, I buzzed through the Daniel Negreanu Masterclass in about 2 weeks. I believe there were about 35 chapters and each varied from a few minutes to 10-12 minutes each. However, that was simply watching each clip and moving forward without really working on each segment. I think I'll go through it again in the coming months so that I can work through the content more thoroughly.

Masterclass does have an app and it's done right IMO. You should have no problem watching the content from your phone.

I'd like to look at that wine Masterclass as well. I'm unsure how long it is.

Yes, I did not spend any time with the Negreanu material, I simply scorched through the lessons for an entire afternoon a couple days in a row. In order to really absorb the material, I would think it would take multiple viewings of all lessons, which could take a few weeks if you spread it out.

The Suckling class looks to have 11 lessons, most between 10-20 minutes, so it wouldn't take long at all.

 

[derekdd23]

I recently went through Daniels class. IMHO it is pretty useless. It glosses over topics too quickly and is really only for beginners who have played little poker. Anyone that has spent any time learning the game will get almost nothing from it. I was honestly shocked by how bad it really was, especially the tournament section. I'm glad that I was able to borrow a friends account to view it, I would never pay for it.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I recently went through Daniels class. IMHO it is pretty useless.

Were you eating a sandwich at the time, or perhaps playing on your phone?

 

[honkydevil]

I recently went through Daniels class. IMHO it is pretty useless. It glosses over topics too quickly and is really only for beginners who have played little poker. Anyone that has spent any time learning the game will get almost nothing from it. I was honestly shocked by how bad it really was, especially the tournament section. I'm glad that I was able to borrow a friends account to view it, I would never pay for it.

I agree it can be rather basic, but since I’m bad at studying it did seem helpful. For someone wanting to crush casino cash games, where would you look to for training? Asking for a friend...

 

[derekdd23]

I agree it can be rather basic, but since I’m bad at studying it did seem helpful. For someone wanting to crush casino cash games, where would you look to for training? Asking for a friend...

What I personally would do is the following.

Read "The Theory of Poker" by David Sklansky
Read it again

Suscribe to Doug Polks youtube chanel and watch pretty much everything
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyI7FNTudkyALBh9N7hwI9Q

Especially this video!!!!! Bookmark it and come back from time to time

Play LOTS of poker, play VERY tight while learning and watch every single hand even if you are not in it and try to imagine what hands each player might have.

Join 2 +2 and "Live low stakes poker" discussions and ask questions
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/live-low-stakes-nl/

If you have the cash to spend to learn, I would go to upswing and buy the cash game stuff.
https://upswingpoker.com/

If you don't have the cash just subscribe to the emails since there is a ton of valuable info that comes out constantly.


Profit

 

[derekdd23]

Also I forgot to add that most players are never profitable, and the ones that are generally take years to get there. Playing winning poker is playing the long game and requires work. The vast majority of good players took a while to win and studied their asses off.

 

[1A25R]

fun to see an answer quoting Doug Polk in a topic called Daniel Negreanu

 

[nightbird]

What I personally would do is the following.

Read "The Theory of Poker" by David Sklansky
Read it again

Suscribe to Doug Polks youtube chanel and watch pretty much everything
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyI7FNTudkyALBh9N7hwI9Q

Especially this video!!!!! Bookmark it and come back from time to time

Play LOTS of poker, play VERY tight while learning and watch every single hand even if you are not in it and try to imagine what hands each player might have.

Join 2 +2 and "Live low stakes poker" discussions and ask questions
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/live-low-stakes-nl/

If you have the cash to spend to learn, I would go to upswing and buy the cash game stuff.
https://upswingpoker.com/

If you don't have the cash just subscribe to the emails since there is a ton of valuable info that comes out constantly.


Profit

Any thoughts if No Limit holdem theory and practice is a better read for NLH than the Theory of Poker?

 

[Sparty]

watching this thread

 

[RainmanTrail]

The majority of Sklansky's work was written well before the poker boom. It was good enough to profit from back then, but the game has evolved so much that most of his work isn't all that valuable today. Especially for NLHE cash and tournaments. He's not a strong player either. I've played with him a few times. Probably for about 40 hours worth of play across several game types. He's super nitty. Almost cluelessly so. He also gets marketed as a mathematician somehow, but he most definitely is not. He greatly appreciates people who study mathematics, but he himself has not done so beyond high school level calculus.

If you want to get good, check out training sites like upswingpoker, deuces cracked, runitonce or pokerstrategy.com (I have some mixed game coaching videos there), or others. There's a ton of good content available for reasonably low monthly fees. Much of which is considerably better than almost any book you can get your hands on. Especially older books.

 

[Poker Zombie]

@RainmanTrail hits on one of the key points of "learning" poker. Once a book, video series, or anything else becomes popular, the strategy loses it's effectiveness. Online series that are continually updated are your best bet, because poker does not have a static strategy. It evolves. 10 years ago, "Small Ball" was an effective way to crush the game. Today the same strategy would be useful to finish close to even.

Of course, if your opponent knows "Small Ball" strategy as well as other strategies, and can identify that you are using "Small Ball", you are going to get crushed.

 

[DrStrange]

Different sources of training are suitable for "expert" poker players and "novice" poker players. I will use my wife and myself as an example.

I have 45 years of poker practice, maybe ten thousand hours of table time. I was a winning player in 1972. I have won every year after that. I play lots of poker variants. The books, training videos and such that would help me improve my game are going to be "modern" and represent current thinking about the state of play. I expect to revisit the training several times over months to gain the most value from it.

My wife has played poker for 15 years. She averages one game a year. She is not a winning player. If she wanted poker training, my books and videos would be of no use because she doesn't have the foundation of basic and common knowledge. She has no idea what GTO vs exploitive mean and mostly doesn't care. The materials from the early parts of the poker boom would suit her better. Studying the basics would not make her a winning player, but the losses would be less.

Everyone of us needs to assess where we fall on the spectrum from expert and novice, selecting the best training for our skill level. It sounds like Daniel Negreanu's Master Course is maybe a bit more "novice" than "expert". Even so, there are plenty of people who would find it suits them well. It is a mistake to skip ahead and study expert material alone when you are really not that skilled. This is true in all sorts of life efforts - you don't take grad school math without first mastering algebra; you don't train for a marathon before you can run a 5K race; you don't study advanced game theory before you understand why "tight is right" for most players.

Also, "expert" players can benefit from revisiting more basic materials. Most of us can benefit from the review because we didn't fully internalize the stuff the first time(s) through or we have forgotten. I rarely feel a poker resource is a waste of my time. I might regret spending the money if the cost is quite high - so I might be very cautious before I spend thousands of dollars for a poker boot camp type event. But a $20 book or something similar generally is going to be ok.

Keep in mind that sophisticated play is often not beneficial vs a weak field. I think being one or two steps ahead of the table is the best way to maximize profits. Studying how to play vs a weak field is not going to be helpful vs sharks but it is good vs. minnows.

Bottom line, study something. Don't over reach. have a good time -=- DrStrange

 

[DoubleEagle]

Keep in mind that sophisticated play is often not beneficial vs a weak field.

^^That.

 

[AdamAAAA]

Based on the generally glowing reviews of this, I decided to purchase it. I guess it's only £85 so cheaper than I thought it would be. However, I'm finding a lot of it so far (I'm only three episodes in) is very much "you must do this and don't do that" without any real explanation of how to do this and that. I am very early into it so maybe that'll come later on.

 

[mugect]

fun to see an answer quoting Doug Polk in a topic called Daniel Negreanu

So I clicked on the direct Polk YouTube link, and the ad for Negreanu played.