Let's talk about buying someone else's customs (1 Viewer)

[manamongkids]

General thoughts?

I did not want to thread crap or derail anyone's classified or interest threads, so I started a new one

My thoughts are pretty straightforward.

I would consider buying someone else's customs in which cannot be created any longer, Abby's BCC is the classic example.

I would consider buying someone else's customs that are general enough in theme for me to be attracted to it, but I would only purchase for the original price or slightly more (maybe 10-15%) for artwork and the thoughtfulness of the theme.

I would not purchase another's customers for a substantially large % over the original cost that could conceivably be recreated (yes intellectually property exists), since you could do a similar theme and edge spots without directly copying it

What are your thoughts?

 

[stocky]

Pretty much the same. But each to their own.

could conceivably be recreated (yes intellectually property exists), since you could do a similar theme and edge spots without directly copying it

This is also something I've always worried about and why I've always offered my set to others. While I don't mind having the only set, I'd be pissed if someone copied it behind my back.

 

[Ben]

My exact thoughts are difficult to articulate - I would and have bought multiple pre-owned custom sets in the past, but only when offered at a deep discount and the owners had clearly moved on (either to bigger and better custom sets, or away from poker entirely.)

Recent events have made me throw up in my mouth a little, though I'd say that's my issue more than anybody else's. There's no law that says other people have to feel the same way about their custom sets as I do mine, and you can't really blame somebody for letting a set go for a 100% profit (IF they can find somebody willing to pay it...) Heck, I just did that with a set that I really loved (though, had no hand in creating and no particular connection to, which I've discovered over the years is far more important to me personally than the "cachet" of any given set.)

 

[BGinGA]

I know to what you allude, but I think that using a set percentage (like your 10-15%, for example) for a small quantity of chips probably doesn't cover the actual art fees. In that particular case, I don't think the chips are overpriced when you include all related costs of producing the set, including artwork design.

 

[12thMan]

Couldn't do it.

 

[Trihonda]

I've often held that customs rarely will retain their value, unless it's an epic set, and can no longer be recreated, or has some significant sentimental value to someone.

That said, people are free to ask what they want in for sale ads, and people are free to pay what they are willing to pay.

 

[manamongkids]

That said, people are free to ask what they want in for sale ads, and people are free to pay what they are willing to pay.

Wholeheartedly agree, just curious as to other people's opinions in general. Yes, there will always be an exception to the rule.

 

[12thMan]

Recent events have made me throw up in my mouth a little, though I'd say that's my issue more than anybody else's.

I have lol'ed multiple times over the past few months at sales that come up and posters continually scratch their heads wondering why so and so would ever sell his beloved *fill in the blank* set... Chip prices are at an all time high, and coincidentally there have been tons of things for sale that would have never seen the light of day otherwise. Chip karma though!! lol

Not insinuating that that you and I are talking about the same things by the way, I just used your comment to launch my own more or less Ben.

 

[DrStrange]

In the end a sale happens when a willing buyer finds a willing seller. If someone can sell their custom set well above replacement cost . . . good for them. I think such sales will be quite rare, bordering on nonexistent for all the reasons people know.

For me specifically - I can't imagine ever buying someone else's custom set for the same price as the cost to get my own set done. Perhaps someone could have a custom TRK set that would fit the bill? Mostly I wouldn't pay anything close to the original cost and in some cases ten cents on the dollar is too much. Custom chips depreciate massively the day you pay for them except in the rarest cases.

Make damn sure you are getting what you want when you finalize the order, there isn't a cheap way back -=- DrStrange

 

[Toby]

The whole deal with customs for me is the personalization. The ability to come up with and develop your own thang. For me that trumps casino set offerings.

There are some fantastic custom sets out there but I can't think of any that I'd pay cost or cost+ on, as I'd prolly do something slightly differently on each of them, to tweak to my taste.

 

[courage]

The whole deal with customs for me is the personalization. The ability to come up with and develop your own thang. For me that trumps casino set offerings.

There are some fantastic custom sets out there but I can't think of any that I'd pay cost or cost+ on, as I'd prolly do something slightly differently on each of them, to tweak to my taste.

^^ yeah, this. Except I'd buy his customs and also a black cat.

 

[dickzapper]

Well... value may be an illusion of the material world, but that doesn't mean it isn't real in that world. Is a Picaso painting worth the value of the paint and canvas or is it worth 150M? What is time worth, and what are ideas worth, and what is history worth? Are dice chips just as useful as PNYs? And what sort of mad god decides on such nonsense things!?

 

[Toby]

^^ yeah, this. Except I'd buy his customs and also a black cat.

It'd be cheaper to get a black cat. You can prolly get one gratis from the pound

 

[k9dr]

I don't think I would ever buy someone else's customs oh never mind

 

[Mr Tree]

I don't think I would ever by someone else's customs oh never mind

 

[gopherblue]

My first thought when I saw the recent listing was "did CPC close?"

 

[ohio3302016]

I think it makes sense if the mold is out of commission. There is one set that I've seen here that I would definitely be interested in.

 

[Toby]

Make your own classic! Go for it!

 

[ssanel54]

I don't have any problem with selling your CPC customs at current CPC prices (even if thats more than you paid for them). I don't have a problem with charging whatever your artist charged you for artwork fees. I don't have a problem if you are able to somehow negotiate premium pricing because you can get the chips now, instead of waiting six months for them. I don't have a problem if someone offers you a ridiculous price for your chips and you accept their offer via private sale.

If this thread is referring to the auction I believe it is referring to, then I think that one smells a little funny. We will see what the auction goes for, and if it hits the "reserve" price. If you are trying to put that much "value" on coming up with a concept, I just don't agree. I think its a slap in the face to the artist, and I hope royalties will be paid to everyone in the community who collaborated during the design process on PCF or CT.

 

[Ronoh]

Not sure if its taboo to name names but...

Using the Boulevard as my example I have to say I completely get it from a buyers perspective. Some may (and have) scoff at the notion of paying $5/per for someone else's customs but in this case a) the set is verifiably awesome and b) the set is TINY.

I can pretty much guarantee that if a buyer steps up he isn't doing it to buy 300 chips. And I am fairly certain if pron pops up 10 months from now of an epic 2500pc set of those things we won't be hearing anyone say "what were you thinking"

I would love to see this small stakes one table HoF set that few of us will ever have the opportunity to use turned into a massive set making guest appearances at a large scale meetup.

 

[detroitdad]

I look at it like this. Their your chips. Do what you want. If you want to sell your customs. Go for it. If you want to sell them for at cost, make a profit, auction them, lottery them flip for them, ect.....rock and roll. Would I buy a custom set at 5 bucks per chip. Nope. That's just my opinion. If I was going to pay that for a cpc set I'd just as well make my own.

 

[ssanel54]

I look at it like this. Their your chips. Do what you want. If you want to sell your customs. Go for it. If you want to sell them for at cost, make a profit, auction them, lottery them flip for them, ect.....rock and roll. Would I buy a custom set at 5 bucks per chip. Nope. That's just my opinion. If I was going to pay that for a cpc set I'd just as well make my own.

Careful DD, your sunset design is bordering on copyright infringement of said chips...

 

[jbutler]

I think its a slap in the face to the artist, and I hope royalties will be paid to everyone in the community who collaborated during the design process on PCF or CT.

This is interesting. Regardless of the various opinions we would all likely have on these points, I think we could agree that if these chips are sold even at the opening auction price, it would be wise for designers to revamp their pricing schedules to reflect the possible resale value of the design.

We all benefit from very reasonable design fees and I would imagine part of the reasonableness of the fees is that the designers know that they are creating something for personal use. If, all of a sudden, it becomes clear that their clients are merely investing in the design to sell the chips and the license to use the design, then I don't imagine they'll be as sympathetic with their pricing.

 

[manamongkids]

This is interesting. Regardless of the various opinions we would all likely have on these points, I think we could agree that if these chips are sold even at the opening auction price, it would be wise for designers to revamp their pricing schedules to reflect the possible resale value of the design.

We all benefit from very reasonable design fees and I would imagine part of the reasonableness of the fees is that the designers know that they are creating something for personal use. If, all of a sudden, it becomes clear that their clients are merely investing in the design to sell the chips and the license to use the design, then I don't imagine they'll be as sympathetic with their pricing.

interesting take, never thought of that

 

[Mr Tree]

This is interesting. Regardless of the various opinions we would all likely have on these points, I think we could agree that if these chips are sold even at the opening auction price, it would be wise for designers to revamp their pricing schedules to reflect the possible resale value of the design.

We all benefit from very reasonable design fees and I would imagine part of the reasonableness of the fees is that the designers know that they are creating something for personal use. If, all of a sudden, it becomes clear that their clients are merely investing in the design to sell the chips and the license to use the design, then I don't imagine they'll be as sympathetic with their pricing.

From conversations I have had I would say this is spot on.

 

[detroitdad]

This is interesting. Regardless of the various opinions we would all likely have on these points, I think we could agree that if these chips are sold even at the opening auction price, it would be wise for designers to revamp their pricing schedules to reflect the possible resale value of the design.

We all benefit from very reasonable design fees and I would imagine part of the reasonableness of the fees is that the designers know that they are creating something for personal use. If, all of a sudden, it becomes clear that their clients are merely investing in the design to sell the chips and the license to use the design, then I don't imagine they'll be as sympathetic with their pricing.

I hadn't thought about this either. Solid point.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

This is interesting. Regardless of the various opinions we would all likely have on these points, I think we could agree that if these chips are sold even at the opening auction price, it would be wise for designers to revamp their pricing schedules to reflect the possible resale value of the design.

We all benefit from very reasonable design fees and I would imagine part of the reasonableness of the fees is that the designers know that they are creating something for personal use. If, all of a sudden, it becomes clear that their clients are merely investing in the design to sell the chips and the license to use the design, then I don't imagine they'll be as sympathetic with their pricing.

I think this is a great point. What could eventually happen is every time you want to add on you pay another premium to the artist.....and probably one that is high enough to deter this practice

IMO there are only a couple is sets I would be interested in buying, but none I would pay more than what CPC charges currently. If I'm gonna pay more i would make my own and copy the spots, even then I would probably change at least a couple of chips, because I don't know of a set ( custom, casino or GB) that I love every spot.

 

[Ronoh]

Really don't think the community needs to worry about "creating sets for profit" to become a normal thing... not enough room to make it worthwhile. I can't see many sets out there bringing in more than cost anyways, combination of HoF status and the fact it's only a 300 piece set is why this one may.

 

[Mr. Cheese]

Personally I think a person can do whatever they want, it's their chips. However that being said I can't think of one set that I would pay more then cost for at most.

Theoretically if a person really liked a set they could copy the spots and colors and alter the art slightly with different font, perhaps changing the name (Boardwalk, GCOP, CPS, WSOP ceramics are just some recent ones that come to mind in regards to changing a few things from the original) and they'd have their own set that they could have produced for much less.

 

[ssanel54]

it's only a 300 piece set is why this one may.

Im curious as to why you say this? If one values that "Art rights" at $600, we are talking about a $2 fee per chip?