J Design cards aren’t what I expected (1 Viewer)

[Freeroll]

I recently received a setup of J Design bridge size cards. They shuffle great and the top card doesn’t slide off the deck when I put it down on the table.

The down size is when dealing the cards (in a self dealt game). The cards seem to be ever so slightly bent so the corners of the cards face slightly downward when the cards are face down. This makes the cards come to an abrupt stop when dealing them from one end to the other. I have chanman cloth and have used Kems and Copags previously on this same table, with the same cloth. The J designs seem that the corners dig in to the cloth and makes the cards come to an abrupt stop (about half the length of the Kems and Copags).

Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience.

 

[inca911]

Desjgn is my favorite, no issues at all with 100+ decks. Perhaps a bad deck with a cutting issue. I’d contact Jayson for support. He really stands by his product, as proven during the whole Modiano debacle.

 

[Pippa]

Even for me
No problem at all
I have 5 set ( 2 poker 3 bridge)

 

[JMC9389]

Probably just a bad deck. All of my desjgn cards pitch and glide across the table really well on my Chanman cloth

 

[CraigT78]

No issues here - they are the only cards I use.

 

[SixSpeedFury]

Haven’t had a bad deck after 20+ sets. Probably just a bad deck.

 

[Old State]

I have several decks/setups and they are beautiful cards…probably my favorite. I received one deck several years ago that had a very very slight bow…but just enough to make a click when you did a riffle. I let him know and he sent another deck right away.

Other than that every setup has been perfect and I highly recommend them.

 

[allforcharity]

Which series of Desjgn cards? Newest ones are Dal Negro stock, I think. Some previous ones are Modiano. Perhaps the difference is there?

 

[Freeroll]

Which series of Desjgn cards? Newest ones are Dal Negro stock, I think. Some previous ones are Modiano. Perhaps the difference is there?

Not sure how to tell what series they are, but here’s a picture of them

 

[JP1984]

I recently picked up a couple of decks and they have instantly gone to the top of my list above my KEM Arrows. Used them on a Chanman cloth recently too without issue.

As others have said, suggest you contact J on here. They really are awesome.

 

[Freeroll]

I have one more set up of them coming (should be here in the next couple days). I will compare the two setups and report back.

 

[surfik]

I do like Desjign and really dig design... Just remember the cards apart from graphics are just as good as producer.. In this case DalNegro or Modiano

 

[Freeroll]

I just got the other setup of cards in the mail. Both setups are exactly the same. They don’t slide nearly as well as the Kem and Copag cards I have.
They aren’t terrible, but I will be using them only as back up and getting Copag cards from now on.

 

[Old State]

I just got the other setup of cards in the mail. Both setups are exactly the same. They don’t slide nearly as well as the Kem and Copag cards I have.
They aren’t terrible, but I will be using them only as back up and getting Copag cards from now on.

I have cards from almost every manufacturer that makes them including 5 setups from Desjgn (varying cards stock) and never noticed much of a difference in how the cards themselves slide. There is definitely a difference between felts but they seem to interact with all cards pretty much the same.

 

[Nanook]

I am curious about the Desjign cards. I read a little about the whole Modiano debacle, but also that Modiano cards, if made correctly, are awesome.

To all you guys that sing the praises of Desjign, are the newer ones made by Dal Negro just as praiseworthy?

 

[joker80]

Love Desjgn , will buy no other

 

[Old State]

I am curious about the Desjign cards. I read a little about the whole Modiano debacle, but also that Modiano cards, if made correctly, are awesome.

To all you guys that sing the praises of Desjign, are the newer ones made by Dal Negro just as praiseworthy?

They are good from a feel perspective ….not the best but on the better side of all the cards I’ve handled. I did prefer the Modiano stock but…
Outside acetate cards like Kem, all PVC type cards are pretty close…except Faded Spade which are extremely stiff. They are the only cards I do not recommend at all.
As far as looks….Desjgn are hands down the best looking cards ever made. I know that’s subjective but that’s how I feel. They are absolutely beautiful and extremely unique.

I have always been a Kem fan and ended up buying cards from everywhere trying to find some that feel the same but don’t have the storage maintenance issues. That card doesn’t exist. If I could go back knowing what I know now I would just own Kem and Desjgn cards…and nothing else.

 

[surfik]

They are good from a feel perspective ….not the best but on the better side of all the cards I’ve handled. I did prefer the Modiano stock but…
Outside acetate cards like Kem, all PVC type cards are pretty close…except Faded Spade which are extremely stiff. They are the only cards I do not recommend at all.
As far as looks….Desjgn are hands down the best looking cards ever made. I know that’s subjective but that’s how I feel. They are absolutely beautiful and extremely unique.

I have always been a Kem fan and ended up buying cards from everywhere trying to find some that feel the same but don’t have the storage maintenance issues. That card doesn’t exist. If I could go back knowing what I know now I would just own Kem and Desjgn cards…and nothing else.

You played or had pre USPCC Kem?

 

[allforcharity]

I am curious about the Desjign cards. I read a little about the whole Modiano debacle, but also that Modiano cards, if made correctly, are awesome.

To all you guys that sing the praises of Desjign, are the newer ones made by Dal Negro just as praiseworthy?

I never had any of the Modiano stock Desjgns. The Dal Negro stock Desjgns play very well. No complaints whatsoever.

For those who prefer a softer feel to their cards, I would recommend Fournier and Angel.

 

[Old State]

You played or had pre USPCC Kem?

Yes. I had and used Kems pre and post. There is no difference other than the ink color…the older are a bit less saturated.
They feel identical and it’s a major myth that there is any material difference. The propensity to bow or not bow is exactly the same. When they are shuffled they feel exactly the same…and even smell the same! I at first thought that maybe the the older ones were thinner because an old deck measured .9mm less than a new but then measured multiple decks and noticed a 1mm variation between them all. Also, Kems, when new, have a very slight rough feel that goes away with use.
Here are two red/blue arrows made 15 years apart. I used the 15 year old ones HEAVILY and retired them. You can not tell any difference in feel ….ZERO.

They never bowed but the set I had before from 2002 did. But I have a USPCC deck from 2006 that also took a slight bow. Since then I’ve always stored my new decks

upside down with a cut card and dealer button on top. Not one deck has ever bowed stored like that.

 

[Nanook]

Yes. I had and used Kems pre and post. There is no difference .....They feel identical and it’s a major myth that there is any material difference. ........

Also, Kems, when new, have a very slight rough feel that goes away with use......

I can confirm that the slight rough feel when new and also that that it goes away with use.

I have been playing almost daily > 3000 live sessions in a card room that uses Kems over the last 15 yrs. I can tell immediately when the new cards get put into play

 

[surfik]

Yes. I had and used Kems pre and post. There is no difference other than the ink color…the older are a bit less saturated.
They feel identical and it’s a major myth that there is any material difference. The propensity to bow or not bow is exactly the same. When they are shuffled they feel exactly the same…and even smell the same! I at first thought that maybe the the older ones were thinner because an old deck measured .9mm less than a new but then measured multiple decks and noticed a 1mm variation between them all. Also, Kems, when new, have a very slight rough feel that goes away with use.
Here are two red/blue arrows made 15 years apart. I used the 15 year old ones HEAVILY and retired them. You can not tell any difference in feel ….ZERO.

They never bowed but the set I had before from 2002 did. But I have a USPCC deck from 2006 that also took a slight bow. Since then I’ve always stored my new decksView attachment 782189View attachment 782190 upside down with a cut card and dealer button on top. Not one deck has ever bowed stored like that.

Funny but I think that older KEMs had more saturated colors.
I have older deck of Casino Club that is not only more colorful but also standard indexes look bolder. I post a pic in the morning...

 

[Old State]

Funny but I think that older KEMs had more saturated colors.
I have older deck of Casino Club that is not only more colorful but also standard indexes look bolder. I post a pic in the morning...

It could be that my older decks wore off a bit with use but you can see in the pic above they are more faded on the right.

 

[upNdown]

For those who prefer a softer feel to their cards, I would recommend Fournier and Angel.

I do prefer flexy cards and I do like both Fournier and Angel, but I’d never recommend them together because they have one huge difference (at least huge to me) - the Angels have a smooth face. Fournier have the same linen finish on both sides. But angels have a linen finish on the back and a smooth finish on the face.

It doesn’t make much of a difference if you’re doing a proper poker shuffle, and I suppose the angels pitch better because of the smooth face (I’ve never noticed, but I don’t pitch on giant octagon tables either.) So it’s a minor detail that shouldn’t matter. But for some reason, the IDEA of it kinda drives me crazy in theory, even though there’s very little difference in practice. Actually, that’s not completely true. If you shuffle like an amateur, doing that big bridge riffle, they’re actually somewhat slippery.
Anyway, just my two cents for the conversation. I love the desJgn brand, but since different releases have been printed on different stocks, we should try to be specific when discussing them.

 

[Old State]

I do prefer flexy cards and I do like both Fournier and Angel, but I’d never recommend them together because they have one huge difference (at least huge to me) - the Angels have a smooth face. Fournier have the same linen finish on both sides. But angels have a linen finish on the back and a smooth finish on the face.

It doesn’t make much of a difference if you’re doing a proper poker shuffle, and I suppose the angels pitch better because of the smooth face (I’ve never noticed, but I don’t pitch on giant octagon tables either.) So it’s a minor detail that shouldn’t matter. But for some reason, the IDEA of it kinda drives me crazy in theory, even though there’s very little difference in practice. Actually, that’s not completely true. If you shuffle like an amateur, doing that big bridge riffle, they’re actually somewhat slippery.
Anyway, just my two cents for the conversation. I love the desJgn brand, but since different releases have been printed on different stocks, we should try to be specific when discussing them.

Angels are one of the few brands I’ve never tried as I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

My favorite card stock Desjgn used was unfortunately the Modiano stuff. It was very nice

 

[surfik]

Angels are one of the few brands I’ve never tried as I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

My favorite card stock Desjgn used was unfortunately the Modiano stuff. It was very nice

Neither have I but wanted Angels before even knowing the brand. Spotted them when watching Aussie Millions...

 

[allforcharity]

There have been a few Angel cards GBs done here. Some available on eBay, too.

 

[surfik]

@Old State

I have done it.
Compared 2 pre (one poker size as a curiosity because they are only Kem I know with security ink) and 2 post KEMs decks.
Galaxy 1997 poker size, security ink, blue deck
Casino Club 1994 bridge size, standard ink, red deck
Casino Club 2005 bridge size, standard ink, brown deck
Circle Casino 2009 bridge size, standard ink, green deck
Results..
1994 deck has most intense red color and distinctive differences in fonts (look at O and R letter in Joker, also A in Ace of Diamonds, font is also visibly bolder). All face cards have more tan, looking like they spent holiday in Miami.
1997 Galaxy deck is quite unique as only I know with security ink, the font compering to 1994 Casino Club is different close to contemporary KEMs
2005 Casino Club deck has a same font as 2009 Circle Casino but 2005 have more intense red color (but not as bright as 1994)

All decks have slight tendency for bowing despite being in mint condition.

1994 deck eges are cut in nearly stright line, other decks have rounded eges.

The conclusions is that between 1994 and 1997 KEM introduced small changes in ink and cut technology, and also minor design changes.
I do belive that the some changes and experiments have been conducted after that time.

Note that 2010 jumbo Circle Casino I have do not bow despite extensive use for several years. They become rubbery and harder for shuffle but still not a sign of any wear.

 

[InstinctPro]

I've never had that issue or heard something like it. I'd definitely try to get a replacement.

 

[Mr Monopoly]

My monthly games range from 5 to as many as 14 players. I fell in love with the subtle differences from one deck of cards to another. My collection began in 2017 with Modiano. Great starter deck because for 10 or less players I typically deal the entire time and Modiano offers superior flex smooth shuffle and for the price a durable print that has shown little wear. Since then I’ve added DaVinci, Copag, Fournier, Kem, Bicycle Prestige, Faded Spade, Bullets and most recently the Gorgon and Sphinx color combination from the Classic Victorian series from Desijn. The addition to my collection was one of a kind in every way. The artwork is visually appealing and the story behind the design calls to century old designs which for the collectors is a big bonus. As the dealer for my tournaments I can also echo the comments in this thread regarding playability and quality. The SSC on my tables has never been an issue for the glide of a quality poker deck and Desijn sets the standard in my opinion.
http://classicplayingcards.com/pdf/The_Design.pdf