Is this a String bet? (1 Viewer)

[Machine]

No sound on video​

 

[97destroyer]

Depends. If this is an opening bet then I say yes. If this is a call or an attempt to re-raise then maybe not.

 

[Machine]

Depends. If this is an opening bet then I say yes. If this is a call or an attempt to re-raise then maybe not.

Actually, I don't think it matters.

 

[DeeVee8]

Without hearing the sound, I'd say string. He reaches back twice for chips. If he verbalized his action (couldn't hear the sound), then its alright.

 

[joeyshin]

Is the question about him not pulling his other hand back so it’s technically not leaving stack to come back?


I’d say it’s a string bet. Don’t do shady things like this. Just verbalize what you want to bet and be clear.

 

[Sparkynutz]

Couldn't hear, did he verbally call the amount and just isn't good at counting?
I've called, bet etc and had wrong chip count pushed forward unintentionally.

There wasn't a clear pause moving chips so I'd let it slide. Also the fact his left hand stayed forward indicating he wasn't done moving chips.

Normally I count the chips closer then slide multiple stacks forward all at once tho.

 

[DeeVee8]

Is the question about him not pulling his other hand back so it’s technically not leaving stack to come back?


I’d say it’s a string bet. Don’t do shady things like this. Just verbalize what you want to bet and be clear.

Pretty sure the hand thing only works in chess

Every time you reach for more chips, you can watch your opponents reaction.

 

[Budha]

Technically, I say not a string bet. I don’t think it’s shady and if you could see the full frame, it’s probably obvious he’s reaching for more chips.

His left hand remains across the betting line the entire time.

To me, the intent to continue betting seems clear.

 

[DeeVee8]

Roberts Rules: "At pot-limit and no-limit play, the player must either use a verbal statement giving the amount of the raise or put chips into the pot in a single motion. Otherwise, it is a string bet."

Without the audio, impossible to tell if there was a verbal declaration.

 

[Hornet]

Assuming nothing verbal. It’s a string bet. For it not to be, it has to be one motion. This was clearly multiple motions.

 

[Machine]

Roberts Rules: "At pot-limit and no-limit play, the player must either use a verbal statement giving the amount of the raise or put chips into the pot in a single motion. Otherwise, it is a string bet."

Without the audio, impossible to tell if there was a verbal declaration.

Also Roberts' Rules:

At non-tournament play, a player who says "raise" is allowed to continue putting chips into the pot with more than one move; the wager is assumed complete when the player’s hands come to rest outside the pot area.

Another aspect of this is, the assumption that Roberts Rules apply

Edit: I've been looking through other versions of the tda and books, I don't recall if it was electronic or in a book but I've also read in other text the action isn't a string bet until the hand is removed. There is also and I'll call it apologetics, text to the affect .. this is due to NL and PL games having so many chips in play.

Personally, I would discourage this type of action, but wouldn't rule against it, the first time or two. I don't find it to be a string bet, you're rules may be different, but so may your host's.

 

[Budha]

Every time you reach for more chips, you can watch your opponents reaction.

The opponents also get to read the bettor every time he reaches for more chips.

Personally, I don’t bet like that b/c I feel it gives waaay to much info to my opponents (regardless of any rules).

 

[RainmanTrail]

If you verbalize the amount, then there's no such thing as a string bet. If you say nothing, then you are only allowed one motion toward the pot with chips. Leaving your second hand out is irrelevant. You can't reach back for more chips if you didn't verbalize your action regardless of whether you left one hand out or not.

 

[Machine]

If you verbalize the amount, then there's no such thing as a string bet. If you say nothing, then you are only allowed one motion toward the pot with chips. Leaving your second hand out is irrelevant. You can't reach back for more chips if you didn't verbalize your action regardless of whether you left one hand out or not.

So I know you're a math guy, and I will say, most math guys would be prescriptivist so ... Would you care to cite a rule set or source?

 

[Josh Kifer]

It our house, as long as the action is verbalised (I.E., if they say raise or reraise) I'll give them enough time to push out the amount, even if two actions. If nothing was said, I'd ask them after they take action to verbally state the intent next time or ill keep bitching. Just doing it silently would be a string bet imo.

 

[Taghkanic]

String bet in my book, since we. can’t hear any verbalization before it is done.

At best it’s unnecessarily ambiguous, and at worst a dumb angle.

I say just don’t use two hands to bet, ever. Unless you are pushing a large stack and it can be accomplished in one consolidated motion.

There are no good reasons to bet in an unclear way except sloppiness or angling or some kind of childish fuck you to your opponents. Why make it hard?

 

[Budha]

I’ve watched this I don’t know how many times now. Honestly, he pushed a whole stack, immediately followed by 3/4 stack and the last move was simply to even the bet with a single chip. There was no pause in his motions - intent seems clear as mud.

Agree - verbalizing raise is always the way to go!!

Honestly though, I think calling this an angle shoot is a bit over the top.

Yeah, maybe technically it’s a string bet (but yet 2 different rules have been cited, one countering it’s not). So where does that leave it..?

To spend even 3 minutes disputing this bet in a friendly home game just seems like a huge waste of time and energy IMO.

 

[natumes]

If he said raise first, ok, but with no verbal action the hand staying across the line doesn't give him free reign to continue adding chips. I don't even like it with the verbal raise first. With a betting line, assemble your bet behind the line then slide it out in a single motion.

 

[Taghkanic]

To spend even 3 minutes disputing this bet in a friendly home game just seems like a huge waste of time and energy IMO.

I’d rather spend 3 minutes now to prevent spending 3 minutes over and over again as players get less and less mindful of a simple rule.

Plus it doesn’t really matter if this one is a deliberate angle. The point is to deter such situations so the host doesn’t have to rule on them constantly.

 

[BEANO52]

Also Roberts' Rules:

At non-tournament play, a player who says "raise" is allowed to continue putting chips into the pot with more than one move; the wager is assumed complete when the player’s hands come to rest outside the pot area.

Another aspect of this is, the assumption that Roberts Rules apply

Edit: I've been looking through other versions of the tda and books, I don't recall if it was electronic or in a book but I've also read in other text the action isn't a string bet until the hand is removed. There is also and I'll call it apologetics, text to the affect .. this is due to NL and PL games having so many chips in play.

Personally, I would discourage this type of action, but wouldn't rule against it, the first time or two. I don't find it to be a string bet, you're rules may be different, but so may your host's.

Feels like the video is maybe a "re-enactment"?
If they "verbalized" not a string bet, if they were silent, is a string bet.

 

[Budha]

I’d rather spend 3 minutes now to prevent spending 3 minutes over and over again as players get less and less mindful of a simple rule.

I guess that particular scenario depicted in the video doesn’t make me immediately fear the game is in imminent danger of devolving into hell fire and chaos.

Edit: I think there is an important distinction between casual, fun games and serious home games. In serious home game with several thousand $$’s in play, rules absolutely matter. However in a casual, friendly game with casual players that play once a month, I’m not giving this particular scenario a 2nd thought.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Even if they verbalized "raise", it's still a string bet in every casino or card room in the country. Player would be restricted to either a min raise or the first stack he put out and released, whichever is greater.

 

[ArielVer18]

It’s 2024, no one follows RROP without modification anymore. If you want to do two handed betting, lift and place down a stack of chips with your first hand and hold on tight. Don’t push. Don’t let go of the first stack until you’re done with your betting action with the other hand.

 

[Baxit]

legit if he announced the raise amount beforehand, string bet otherwise. If you need to count chips, do it before pushing.

 

[soccerdadof3]

Without the benefit of the sound, I would say that if he verbally declared the amount he's ok..If not I would consider it a string bet.

 

[dremonk]

at a casual game with low stakes/friends I'd let this one slide... but with no verbalization, looks like a string bet to me.

 

[DrunkleWade]

No vote cast.

Without the audio, I can't make a determination. He may have verbalised the amount first so, no string bet. If not, then yes, a string bet.