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I'm starting a home game in my area and having a hard time recruiting. Making it even more difficult is that the players I have found differ greatly in appetite for risk. My main goal is to have a chill game with relatively low stakes but to still have enough in play to make it interesting. Personally, that means a cash game with buy-ins between $20-$100 and unlimited rebuys because we're adults, but I'm honestly more into the social aspect and don't care that much what we're playing for

The problem is that of the 4 I've found so far, there are two guys who are closer to the "buy in for $20, and if I lose that, I won't come back for a month" end of the spectrum and 2 guys who think "why even bother if I can only win 100 bucks." To have a game at all, we'll have to cap it at $20 but people are already complaining. I'll be introducing things like a high hand jackpot, keeping a leaderboard, booby prizes etc. to keep things interesting. Wondering if there are any other ideas besides find more people haha
 
We play a chump-change cash came, was .05/.10 but it was just a shove fest, so now we do .10/.25, $50 max. $25 buy in has become pretty standard. For us I think its right where a 100bb buy-in is interesting but still inconsequential (2 or 3 buy-ins in a night is totally doable for everyone), and the one or two guys that want to play a little bigger can. If $20 is making or breaking someone.. there's really only so much you can do.
 
Last spring I had the same problem and I didn’t care what the stakes were, provided people actually played to win. Too low and the shove fest happens, as @sammydj mentioned. The nearest casino to me is nearly 2 hours and $1/2 with a max $300 buy in is the smallest game. So, I had some custom business chips made by BRPoker Pros that had my club name and logo on one side with our Discord page and my cell on the reverse. If a player at the casino was cool and lived closer to me than the casino, I gave them a chip and invited them to my game with the same stakes, only no rake. I started posting on my own FB poker page and a couple other poker group pages. We played our first “new format” game in May of last year. It wasn’t easy and I’ve certainly had a ton of turnover, but I also have 6 regs who I’d move mountains for and vice versa that I didn’t even know a year ago. And I have close to 100 others who jump in when they can and I have room. We never miss a weekend these days and the main table usually has $15k+ in play. I opened a smaller stakes table once the main table got too big for some of the guys. The small table has fewer circus games, smaller blinds, no match the stacks, etc.

Works out pretty great. When players bust out and go home from the main, the small table is usually breaking up and the big winners always want a seat at the main. Everyone gets to play for the stakes they want now and the main is full as long as I can stand it.

But, I confess I thought I was tendering on the brink of not having any game every other week for months. I had to recruit non stop and I still recruit today. I just get to be way more picky now. I used to take about anyone and now if they won’t join discord and agree to the club rules, we don’t continue. If they do, the next phase is a one on one meeting with me just to chat, give them the lay of the land, expectations from each party, etc.

I would strongly advise not worrying about pleasing the others. I only had success when I said to hell with trying to be a people pleaser and make the game I WANTED. Decide what exactly you’d like your game to be and then make it happen. I have built an amazing poker room, tables, chairs, all that to make people want to stay once they’ve played. But, those are all luxuries that aren’t needed. The first game was one mediocre table and we all had to shuffle and deal, like most home games. Just make your game YOURS first.

I’m not saying I don’t listen to my regs. I just didn’t listen to anyone until they became regs at the new format. We added the 7/2, race car game, bomb pots, etc all over time and as players asked for them. But, when an idea is presented, we just post a poll and put it to a vote on the discord page. Best part is, we can add a game on one table without adding to the other, so if we want to play every other orbit is PLO or whatever, we can. We just shuffle players to the table they prefer.

Now that we’ve had a consistent weekly game for 6+ months, it’s kind of funny. The main table has a reputation of being big and crazy, which the players who leave go and bitch about to their other poker buddies. Half my new recruits come directly, because they hear those things and it’s appealing to them. 🤷‍♂️😂

I played tournaments for $20 with buddies for years and was always bored to death by the cards. I enjoyed the socializing aspect, but cards were a distant afterthought. I’ve never had more fun than the game we host now. And I say we, because after I got a shuffler, my wife started dealing the main table and our 15 year old son is one of our regs. He’s the one trying not to smile.
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But, I can break him to get a smile from time to time. 😊
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Good luck building! You’ll get there before you know it.
 
I’ve got two ~monthly $0.10/0.20 games. I would looove to push to around $1/2 but only one other guy there would also do that

As it stands both groups make for a super fun evening, but I end up playing extremely loose and wacky. Both groups have at least one total newb who just can’t help but call with anything… and they bust… and bust… and so I’m usually happy to buy them back in once because the mood shifts badly when they’re no longer part of the game (and it’s fun to buy them in, not a pity/charity)

Gotta find a new game in town because these won’t ever level up even though I hope the keep running regularly
 
Amazing story @Jers28. Don't suppose you want to move to California? Or maybe I should move to MO...

I'm in the same boat, Casino is an hour+ drive and a little rich for what I'm looking for. I respect the dedication you have to make it work and the results are clearly there. That said, I'm not sure I want to turn this hobby into a job. Plus I think my wife would have something to say if I started inviting a bunch of random people into our home haha.

It sucks that it takes this much effort to get a home game going (and keep it going). I think I'm just chasing the feeling of being in college playing cards on a weeknight instead of studying. Fool's errand I guess :D

I love that your family participates as well!
 
No, and going to pot limit is what I'll be proposing we go with, but it doesn't really address my core problem. It'll keep the tightwads in longer but it'll just annoy the other two and they'll probably just max bet every hand. Like herding cats I tell ya :rolleyes:
 
Trust me, I get it. I personally love limit but I get pushback from a few with “you can’t get people off a hand” and this is usually coming from the guy who calls my pocket aces with an inside straight draw.



And hits it.
 
You've got to find what works best for you and hope others will get on board because you're never going to make everyone happy. Took me a long time but I finally got my no-limit crew to humor me and try out a night of limit mixed games. They loved it. We now rotate between limit and no limit nights when we do cash games (we still mostly do NL tournaments for my league). It made me happy though because it gave me a reason to buy a second limit set.
 
If you aren’t opposed to tournaments that might be the solution. The $20 buy in player could last all night and the $100 buy in player can get a big score. If you are stuck on playing cash then I’d just build the game and stakes that I want and try to find players that will fit that.
 
The above is good advice.

But this is great advice. It is likely the best tip I have ever crapped out on this forum.

I foolishly didn't do this early on. I didn't do it for 15 years, and I lament that now.

Sign up early to go a meetup, if you haven't yet. Get involved in that forum meetup thread.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/forums/home-game-listings-and-meetups.12/

Seriously. Pick a close-by meetup. Go to it and play for the full 3 or 4 days.

And if you don't have one nearby, pick a forum member that you like and respect on this board, and pm that person. Ask which meetup to which you should drive/fly/lodge.

The meetup crowd is PLATINUM level. They are mature, seasoned, welcoming hosts. They've experienced everything (yes, even *my* stupid shit...please don't ask...) and have done so with measured strength and grace.

So ~many~ good things will become immediately apparent in that forum thread on the lead-up and then on-site at your first meetup. It will change the way you host.

I promise you.
 
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Yeah just like Steve said it’s all about what you want your game to be.

If you want a friendly game that will be accessible to non-poker players, new players and friends that don’t wanna spend a lot, then keep the stakes around $10-$40. This way you’ll be able to pull in more non-poker friends and friends of friends.

If you run the game at a higher stake you’ll have no problem getting people outta card rooms and into your game. The only downside imo is that you’ll have random degens in your house that you recruited. I would much rather play for peanuts with friends than have people I barely know or like in my house.

I think it’s hard to merge the two player pools into one.
 
I would much rather play for peanuts with friends than have people I barely know or like in my house.
Couldn't agree more

I think it’s hard to merge the two player pools into one.
Near impossible. And yet here I am trying haha. My ideal scenario would be to have two different games with different groups. But as is, I can't even muster enough people for one game


Appreciate all the feedback. I'll definitely try some of the things suggested to keep everyone happy(ish) while I keep recruiting
 
When I started my game, it was with my super close friends. They would all play poker like once a year. My first game, I fortunately got 9 people to come, everyone brought their wives and they all hung out with my wife upstairs. There were maybe 3 serious guys in that group, one being me. I tried having a game every 2 weeks after that and kept having to cancel due to disinterest and kept getting discouraged. Finally, I hosted a tournament and just hounded anyone coming to just bring 1 person with them. One of my buddies brought his brother and a few of his buddies. Those guys have now become regs at my game, all 4 of them. It has slowly grown over 2 years to bigger stakes that are comfortable and fun for us.

Every month or 2, ill do a big tournament. I ended up teaming up with another regular at my game who also hosts games and we ended up with a 16 person tournament, even my mom played. We did a $40 bounty, not huge stakes, but the amount of players made it worth it for the more serious players. It was a great time and I added 2 more names to my reg list. The next tournament I do will be called the CVPC champions tournament. Its just gonna be a bigger than normal stakes freezeout with a trophy for the winner, everyone is pumped for it. Im thinking a tournament is definitely a way to go and really hound your players to just bring someone with them.

Along with that, I've chatted with a couple of the regs about helping with a beginner's night. Id make a facebook event, reaching out to people who are interested in learning or just want to learn more. I would deal the whole game and grab one of my regs to switch off and make it very low stakes. Keep it slow and explain everything thats going on. I remember when I first started, I had a few people tell me they had never played and would love to learn one day. Maybe hope to grab one or 2 more people that will come back regularly.

All in all, just keep at it, find stakes that work in the meantime and have fun! Itll happen.
 
$20 buy in, match half the stack games can play decently big for what they are - our monthly gets $1200+ on the table.

The issue is that 1-buy-in guys are fine for filling a final seat, but you can't build a game around them for many reasons. You need 3-4 core players who show every time, bring at least 3 buyins and like to give and get action, and are fine playing short.

Then you need a recruiting strategy.
 
Social Economic levels matter. I love playing low stakes just for fun $20 but most people in the burbs are comfortable losing between $60-$300 on any given night. Just depends what you want your game to be. In my experience you will need to separate the two groups, sorry but that is just the reality.

I had to drop the low stakes players they would show up ready to play with $30 and complain when they were raised in a .25/.50 cash game. They would also come empty handed and expected beers in the fridge and pizza, which I happily supplied. It just got old after a while, like it was expected. We finally bumped the game up to $1/$2 and they stopped coming and we have never looked back.
 
If you aren’t opposed to tournaments that might be the solution. The $20 buy in player could last all night and the $100 buy in player can get a big score. If you are stuck on playing cash then I’d just build the game and stakes that I want and try to find players that will fit that.
This is what I've had to do. It amazes me how many casual players are intimidated by a $50 cash game where they aren't committed to an all-or-nothing format; but will play a $100 tourney once in a while because it feels like a party and their loss is capped. I'd do that often enough until your friends start bringing some plus ones. After a while you'll figure out who you can build a game around. It'll usually be the two or three most interested players from a couple different friend groups.

Also, this will seem counter-intuitive, aim for the middle but err on the high side. The casuals that will lose $20 and not come back from a month aren't guys you can sustain a game around. You need like 5 guys that you know are reliable, and then a rolodex of guys that will show up now and then to round out the table.
 
Update:

We had our first game last night. 1 bailed so only 4 including me. Worked out better than I hoped. After some cajoling, we settled on .05/.10 NL, $10 buy ins with unlimited rebuys. Tighter players played tight and the one bigger player bought in 3 times.

Having side games really helped, 7-2o bounty was paid out once, high hand jackpot of the night was a full house and everybody was trying to win the $2 dollar bill by winning with a pair of 2's. Had a guy on the verge of getting it but river paired his other hole card.

I was up most of the night but shortstacked myself by paying for pizza using chips. Busted out a few hands later. No regrets
 

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