Cash Game How do you rule this? (1 Viewer)

[rustycheerio]

This one won't make a lot of sense, but im here to listen to opinions. This isn't a house this is at a poker room.

New dealer, bomb pot, dead button, and small blind.
Before cards are dealt player sits on small blind, to buy it (yes it's a bomb pot though).

Flop comes 5/6/9 2 hearts.
random player bets, new player goes all in.
random calls.
Turn 2 of clubs
river Q spades.

Both cards are tabled. New player shows 5J and random shows 58 hearts.
New player starts freaking out about how he thought he had 66, that this is bullshit.
Everyone misses that he wins the pot because of the commotion.
Pot is pushed to random, new player says he going to get more money, hold his seat.
Random gets up, leaves the room with the chips. New player comes back and realizes he won. Random player is gone (but a regular)
What now?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Cards should speak. Dealer messed up but sadly lot of cardrooms have worded it so that it is your responsibility (as a player) to speak up if there is something wrong occurring, even if you're not in the hand. The cardrooms I've dealt in, sometimes floor would make this whole if its a regular but they were unprofessional and seemed to pick and choose when to step in.

 

[Jonesey07]

Pot stays with the Random player. Once all cards are mucked, action is final.

 

[rustycheerio]

Pot stays with the Random player. Once all cards are mucked, action is final.

cards were tabled

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

cards were tabled

Yes, what he means is as a dealer: I pull all losing hands into the muck and push the pot towards the highest hand, only one remaining. Once pot is pushed, I muck remaining cards and move on with my day. After that, action is final.

 

[Jonesey07]

cards were tabled

Yes, cards were tabled but the pot was awarded and then both players got up and left the table. I'd presume the cards were no longer viewable when new player returned to the table.

 

[rustycheerio]

Yes, what he means is as a dealer: I pull all losing hands into the muck and push the pot towards the highest hand, only one remaining. Once pot is pushed, I muck remaining cards and move on with my day. After that, action is final.

oh okay, i gotcha.
after pot is pushed and new hand is starting nothing can be reversed? even if hands are tabled?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

oh okay, i gotcha.
after pot is pushed and new hand is starting nothing can be reversed? even if hands are tabled?

Usually? No. Lot of wording that says dealers are humans and make mistakes, they cannot be held liable for mistakes that no one at the table caught; cards speak, but its all player's "responsibility" to voice concerns if they come up. We can't be expected to replay the exact hand in our head and take chips from a player's stack.

 

[rustycheerio]

Usually? No. Lot of wording that says dealers are humans and make mistakes, they cannot be held liable for mistakes that no one at the table caught; cards speak, but its all player's "responsibility" to voice concerns if they come up. We can't be expected to replay the exact hand in our head and take chips from a player's stack.

what about cameras?

 

[Northern Paladin]

Even with the cameras. It's not all about having proof. It's sad, but his "I thought I had the 66" story cost him the pot.

 

[Northern Paladin]

Was the player who left the table Garrett Adelstein?

 

[rustycheerio]

Was the player who left the table Garrett Adelstein?

No, everyone called him 'Gman'.

 

[DrStrange]

There are card emojis, would be helpful to use them.

Cards should speak. If only someone had spoken up at the time. But no one did and now the hand is over. Not just a little over, but several hands (or more) have come and gone before anyone raised an objection.

It is a remarkably observant original poster that remembers all the details of a hand that long finished. I imagine the rest of the table isn't remembering it the same way and neither is the dealer. The new player's recollection is tarnished by the fact he confused J5o with pocket sixes over the span of a minute or so - he clearly was confused.

No one can say definitively what happened that hand. This is one reason why the hand is over once the cards are mucked. Imagine the chaos if hands were open to review for an indefinite period in the future.

Making matters worse, the random regular has left the table. So what are we asking the house to do? Track down this player next week when he comes back and ask for a refund for a mistake made the other day? This is even more crazy.

There are good practical reasons to close the books on a hand and move on once the cards are mucked. Mistakes happen, but in the end it is the player's responsibility to read the board and protect his interests. The New Guy was so busy throwing a fit that he failed to protect his hand. That was too bad, but it is way too late to do anything about it.

DrStrange

 

[LeLe]

Hand is over so pot stay with rando, also new guy didn’t win. It will be a chopped with both holding 2 pairs of 2 & 5 with Q kicker.

Seem like the whole table except the rando is very confused, he clearly know what happen with the pot wrongly given so he left in a hurry

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Hand is over so pot stay with rando, also new guy didn’t win. It will be a chopped with both holding 2 pairs of 2 & 5 with Q kicker.

Seem like the whole table except the rando is very confused, he clearly know what happen with the pot wrongly given so he left in a hurry

That 2 is just the '2 hearts' I believe, no pairs. But yes, firmly believe random player left purposefully.

 

[LeLe]

That 2 is just the '2 hearts' I believe, no pairs. But yes, firmly believe random player left purposefully.

You are right, sometimes reading is hard

 

[DoubleEagle]

dead button

They play a dead button in a casino cash game? What happened to the moving button for cash?

 

[rustycheerio]

They play a dead button in a casino cash game? What happened to the moving button for cash?

not where i work.

 

[Legend5555]

what about cameras?

Even if they used cameras, casinos cannot force players to pay other players. All they can do is ban people.

Reason for this is that it's too easy to scam the casino if they had to pay players back for getting their chips stolen or situations like this.

 

[JustinInMN]

Pot is pushed to random, new player says he going to get more money, hold his seat.
Random gets up, leaves the room with the chips. New player comes back and realizes he won. Random player is gone (but a regular)
What now?

Yes, what he means is as a dealer: I pull all losing hands into the muck and push the pot towards the highest hand, only one remaining. Once pot is pushed, I muck remaining cards and move on with my day. After that, action is final.

I think the rules call for time to protest the awarding of the pot until the next deal begins. Even if a dealer has mucked cards and pushed the pot, if the player realizes the mistake before the next deal he can stop play and ask for the floor to intervene. At that point the floor would have the option to impound the pot pending review. Unfortunately for the player that had the winning hand, he forfeited this opportunity by running to the ATM.

Player that received the money gets to keep it in any event once the next deal begins. It'd be up to the house if they want to make the player that was not pushed the pot whole or not.

 

[casinochipper22]

this happened to me personally while I was dealing. Similar situation. heads up at showdown, both players turned their hand over. I was a dumbass and mucked the one card flush, and I gave the pot to the nut straight. Winner is stacking chips. Loser asks for a rebuy. I get the new deck out, deal the next pot. And on the turn or river of the next hand, some guy at the table says, "wait, didn't you have a (whatever the suit was) heart? because that made a flush." and then another guy spoke up, yeah, I thought I saw that too but I wasn't sure. Then loser freaks out and says, maybe i did!!! call the floor!!!

floor comes over and this was his ruling. Not sure if it's standard or he was just lazy, but he said once a new hand has been dealt he can't go to surveillance and change the outcome of a previous hand. He said it's too late and it will effect the future hands in play. I felt like an asshole for missing it. It seemed like an awkward ruling at the time, but the floor had a ton of experience from multiple rooms and that was his decision.

 

[TheBigTater]

Was the player who left the table Garrett Adelstein?

that post made my day.

 

[upNdown]

I just think it’s hilarious that after the guy misread his hand he left the table, then came back saying hey, I had a flush. Who the hell are these people?
The pot was pushed.
You left.
You’re dumb. (Not for misreading your hand - everybody’s done that.)

 

[rustycheerio]

I just think it’s hilarious that after the guy misread his hand he left the table, then came back saying hey, I had a flush. Who the hell are these people?
The pot was pushed.
You left.
You’re dumb. (Not for misreading your hand - everybody’s done that.)

this was a hypothetical scenario

 

[JustinInMN]

Both cards are tabled. New player shows 5J and random shows 58 hearts.
New player starts freaking out about how he thought he had 66, that this is bullshit.

I am curious and would appreciate a clarification. Is new player saying he thought he had 6-6 himself, or saying he thought the other player had 6-6 instead of 5-8? Not that it matters much on the ruling, but I am curious.

I guess I am trying to figure out what the 6-6 story is supposed to explain. Is it that he misread the other hand and that's why he didn't protest. Either way it's on him, but I just find I am curious.

 

[Frogzilla]

Back in 2005 I tabled 22 on 2JJxx, got shown AJ, misread my hand as worse trips, and mucked my ducks. The pot went to AJ even though it shouldn’t have. It’s too late for me to claim that pot now. And after someone gets up, goes to ATM, and comes back….it’s too late to claim that pot too.

 

[Terrys394]

Rule always was once cards are dealt for next hand all claims to previous pots are void. Also, as far as coming in on the small and buying it , shouldn’t they just ante up like everyone else and then buy on the next hand when button stays ?

 

[casinochipper22]

Rule always was once cards are dealt for next hand all claims to previous pots are void. Also, as far as coming in on the small and buying it , shouldn’t they just ante up like everyone else and then buy on the next hand when button stays ?

Sounds like the same thing Shig explained to me and the table after my mistake

 

[Northern Paladin]

that post made my day.

Aside from the serious reactions that the controversy logically engendered, it must be recognized that this whole affair was funny in many ways.

 

[ArielVer18]

didn’t someone get knocked out of a major tournament recently because everyone misread the tabled hands?

EDIT: found it (https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-ne...ding-board-in-poker-tournament-nobody-notices)