Tourney Horseshoe Casino Paulsons- Cash and tourney set advice (1 Viewer)

[mrr]

At the recommendation of churlbut18, I am migrating a question I asked about the horseshoe Cleveland chips to this forum. I've added a few extra details. Thanks in advance guys.

I think in the first thread, someone had posted the chip breakdown they recommended for a cash and NL tourney set. Anyone mind sharing those thoughts again? Would love a set of the used Paulsons for cash games and tournies they won't break the bank. Thanks in advance.

FYI first time back to the site after a
While--always lurking. Love seeing some of the chips despite my lack of participation in the forums.

Extra details: .25,.50 blinds or .25 antes, typically. As for tourneys, most of the time, single table tournies of $20 buy in at 200 BB starting sounds about right.

 

[churlbut18]

I don't host tournaments, so I'll provide my recommendation for cash game.

$0.25/$0.50 NL, 10 player, 200BB Buy-In:

200 x $0.25
300 x $1
200 x $5
80 x $25
20 x $100
-----
800 total (bank = $5350)

Starting stacks can be something like...

20 x $0.25
25 x $1
14 x $5
-----
$100

Other set breakdown variations can be the following. Just need to play around and make slight adjustments to starting stacks.

200/300/300/80/20
200/300/200/80/20 (above)
200/200/300/80/20
200/200/200/80/20 (#2 choice)
200/300/100/80/20
200/200/100/80/20

For any of these, you can skip the barrel of $100's and do a full rack of $25's, but the hundos are cool and increase your bank a lot.

And YES, I like 200 quarters although many will say you can get by with 100.

 

[mrr]

I don't host tournaments, so I'll provide my recommendation for cash game.

$0.25/$0.50 NL, 10 player, 200BB Buy-In:

200 x $0.25
300 x $1
200 x $5
80 x $25
20 x $100
-----
800 total (bank = $5350)

Starting stacks can be something like...

20 x $0.25
25 x $1
14 x $5
-----
$100

Other set breakdown variations can be the following. Just need to play around and make slight adjustments to starting stacks.

200/300/300/80/20
200/300/200/80/20 (above)
200/200/300/80/20
200/200/200/80/20 (#2 choice)
200/300/100/80/20
200/200/100/80/20

For any of these, you can skip the barrel of $100's and do a full rack of $25's, but the hundos are cool and increase your bank a lot.

And YES, I like 200 quarters although many will say you can get by with 100.

Thanks for the response. I should have specified, for tourney, 200bb starting chip count is what I meant. For cash games, we are probably more around the $20-40 buy in range, or that makes a difference in the chip counts you would recommend. We usually play with 4 chip colors, so I would be looking at the $1, $5, $25 and $100 denomination chips, plus whatever else might be needed to make it suitable for 6-10 person tournies (I know that's not your specialty, just adding the details for completeness). We usually make do with a 300 chip, 4 color for cash and tournies. Thanks for all your recommendations and sorry for the initial lack of clarity!

 

[Bigkyle]

My suggestion is to find a rack of quarters elsewhere and to purchase:

140x$1
140x$5
110x$25
70x$100
40x$500

That's 500 chips total, you have <25% greens, <15% blacks, and <10% purples. If you get a rack of quarters, you can do ten starting stacks of 8x25c, 13x$1, and 5x$5 with plenty of extra $5 chips for rebuys.

For tournaments, you can do starting stacks of 10xT5, 10xT25, 7xT100, and 2xT500, which is a 200 big blind starting stack for ten players with chips to color up the 5's and 25's.

If you don't want to spend the money on the $500 chips, you can always alter the blind structure (5-5 opening blinds?) or starting stacks (play T1000 instead?) and get more of the 1's and 5's.

 

[GoStumpy]

My cash breakdown:

200 - Quarters (Will be worn relabels)
300 - $1
400 - $5
80 - $25
20 - $100

All primary for cash, and all secondary for tournament:

250 - 25
150 - 100
100 - 500
50 - 1000
50 - 5000

That allows two tables for cash (.25/.50) and two tables for tournament with T15k starting stacks.

 

[Aaron]

My cash breakdown:

200 - Quarters (Will be worn relabels)
300 - $1
400 - $5
80 - $25
20 - $100

All primary for cash, and all secondary for tournament:

250 - 25
150 - 100
100 - 500
50 - 1000
50 - 5000

That allows two tables for cash (.25/.50) and two tables for tournament with T15k starting stacks.

I don't think will work with the limitations.

 

[GoStumpy]

I don't think will work with the limitations.

Pretty sure it does

 

[Aaron]

I was think of them as separate sets I didn't even think about them being one order. Sorry about that

 

[GoStumpy]

No worries I'm getting 1400 total chips I think

-edit- not including a few chips for friends

-edit2- also probably getting my max number of sample sets for those sexy 25k's

 

[mrr]

Thanks for the responses guys. I was not expecting such big sets required for a cash and tourney set. I may have to just go with a small set for now and augment later when I haven't just bought a new house and with a baby 5 days past due! But maybe the small set will fuel the addiction for now. I think I might just need to do 300, maybe 400 max chip set until another time. My games are small enough that it will work just fine, and the quality upgrade will be amazing.

Boy those 25k's really are sexy, though.

Edit: if you guys have suggestions on breakdown of a small set, I would absolutely appreciate it. I have my own thoughts, but experienced insights would be great. I am thinking $1, $5, $25 and $100, and maybe some $2.50 just for when doing tourneys. Thanks again guys!

 

[moose]

Personally I think using your cash chips in tournies is a really bad idea for security purposes. Trying to get dual purpose out of one small set isn't going to work too well. I would concentrate on a cash set for now using the primaries and get secondaries later for tournies as your budget permits.

I would find something to use for quarters elsewhere and get

200 $1
180 $5
20 $25
400 chips

 

[GoStumpy]

Question is how small do you want to go and what stakes you want to play!

 

[Shaggy]

If you wanna talk small... I'm your guy... Um wait. Small cash sets.

I'm an advocate for minimal small chips and actually using bigger chips for betting when possible. An $8 bet isn't 8 ones... It's a $5 and 3x $1. A $30 bet is a $25 and a $5, not 6x $5... Etc.
Here is my goto breakdown for my 200bb ($100 buy in) .25/.50 NLHE cash game (9 handed)
100x quarters
120x $1
130x $5
40x $25
10x $100

400 chips, $2795 bank.

 

[mrr]

Thanks for all the suggestions. These are really helpful and I really appreciate your thoughts. Looking forward to getting a nice set.

 

[upNdown]

An $8 bet isn't 8 ones... It's a $5 and 3x $1. A $30 bet is a $25 and a $5, not 6x $5...

AMEN!

 

[mrr]

What do you guys think of this breakdown?

150x$1
125x$5
50x$25
25x$100

Edit: adding 25x$2.50. It's just a good looking chip and wouldn't mind a few of a fifth denom.

I know the chips have values on them, and playing them as different values than is written irks some, but it won't bother me. We just assign value based on color and don't run games big enough to need more chips or play with enough money to actually play with the chips representing their actual value--when I said 200bb I meant for tournies. We usually play $20-30 buy in for cash. But I hope to get some people interested in some higher stakes. I will add quarters sometime in the future. Anyway I appreciate your thoughts on the above build, and thanks again for your insight thus far.

 

[Dr. Matt]

For those of us who are new at this and not quite ready to spend $2K for two separate sets, but would like to get some of the newer secondary chips, is it bad/frowned upon to mix primaries and secondaries? I don't think it would bother me too much since the denoms are the same and coloring similar...What's the downside? Thanks

 

[SleepInPC]

I'm broke so I'm doing a 200 piece set.

$5 x 100
$25 x 60
$100 x 30
$500 x 10

Everyone gets:
$5 x 10
$25 x 6
$100 x 3
$500 x 1

But I can only get 10 max $25 so I will just buy the other 10 from the secondary set.

 

[dew4au]

For those of us who are new at this and not quite ready to spend $2K for two separate sets, but would like to get some of the newer secondary chips, is it bad/frowned upon to mix primaries and secondaries? I don't think it would bother me too much since the denoms are the same and coloring similar...What's the downside? Thanks

It really just comes down to personal preference. Are you OK with mixing used chips with new chips? Do you like the color combos of the primaries and secondaries? If you said yes to both of those you are good to go! You can always sell or trade to meet your preference in the future.

 

[mrr]

Ended up getting

150x$1
25x$2.50
150x$5
50x$25
25x$100

Can't wait for them to get here.

 

[GoStumpy]

It really just comes down to personal preference. Are you OK with mixing used chips with new chips? .

That's the ONE thing that does bother me a little bit when playing, is when the conditions just don't match... I have mint $1's with used $5's and it tilts the heck out of me

That, and if I want to get picky I prefer all light or all dark inlays...heh

 

[GoStumpy]

I got all secondary:

250 - $25
150 - $100
100 - $500
50 - $1000
50 - $5000

Should make one hell of a 2 table set

(To go with my primary cash set of 300 $1, 400 $5, 160 $25, and 40 $100)

 

[Aaron]

I got all secondary:

250 - $25
150 - $100
100 - $500
50 - $1000
50 - $5000

Should make one hell of a 2 table set

(To go with my primary cash set of 300 $1, 400 $5, 160 $25, and 40 $100)

Almost the exact cash set I got. 500 --$5s only difference

 

[GoStumpy]

I actually ordered 450 $5's so that I can weed out the 'special edition' ones if I feel like it

 

[moose]

I got all secondary:

250 - $25
150 - $100
100 - $500
50 - $1000
50 - $5000

Should make one hell of a 2 table set

(To go with my primary cash set of 300 $1, 400 $5, 160 $25, and 40 $100)

I actually ordered 450 $5's so that I can weed out the 'special edition' ones if I feel like it

Ok because I was going to say that your order is going to be cancelled.

 

[GoStumpy]

Ok because I was going to say that your order is going to be cancelled.

There was an addition few hundred chips for others, don't worry... I used the spreadsheet

 

[upNdown]

I actually ordered 450 $5's so that I can weed out the 'special edition' ones if I feel like it

That was really bothering me too, because I really hate those giant inlay chips, so I had built an extra 20% of 5's into my order for that same reason. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized it was no big deal. Maybe if a different 5 turns up now and then, it'll be the lucky 5 or something. And if they actually do bother me, they can sit in the back of the rack and not get played. And maybe these are all just rationalizations because I was on a short budget and just decided to spend that money on other chips. But whatever - this was an exciting day.

 

[moose]

Personally I like having the SE chips in there. Makes it have that real casino feel. Plus it gives something for your players to hunt for. SE chips also make good card protectors while you play.

 

[moose]

Also except for grand opening chips, the SE chips will be newer on average and in better condition.

 

[upNdown]

Also except for grand opening chips, the SE chips will be newer on average and in better condition.

I appreciate that kind of optimism. But according to this, http://www.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=OHCLHO there were 4 SE chips and 3 of them were for the grand opening.