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[nbrun]

Hey PCF,

So we have concluded our third season and are going into the Main Event in July. For the past two years, there has been no chip advantage to higher ranking players. The only advantage that was given was the first seed got to pick the entire seating for the Main Event. This year, I am thinking changing starting stacks that directly correlate to your season points. I've also thought about things like the (in this case Season 3), the first place players has 'contributed' more to the main event than the 8th place player has due to attendance. Although the 8th place player has qualified, his stack should reflect his contribution. Going to give it a try this year and see how it goes.

Advice on the numbers? See below my standings.

Could do 1st = 200%, 2nd = 180% etc... Or do a points = chip system.


Also let me know if this method has any pros/cons.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

You shouldn’t change this now that the season has concluded; it should have been communicated from the start. I do not know enough about this to give you help planning next season, but you should definitely not change the rules now that the season has played out. It also looks like you are first in the leaderboard, so it would probably seem like you are just giving yourself an advantage.

 

[dpeks13]

I was part of a Fantasy football league that the guy running it was persuaded into changing the playoff seeding rules the final week. It almost came to blows.
Don't ever be that person lol

 

[nbrun]

You shouldn’t change this now that the season has concluded; it should have been communicated from the start. I do not know enough about this to give you help planning next season, but you should definitely not change the rules now that the season has played out. It also looks like you are first in the leaderboard, so it would probably seem like you are just giving yourself an advantage.

I've definitely considered this.

Each year, the main event details has decided post season and prior to the event. Changes are coming this year and the league expects it.

 

[upNdown]

I've definitely considered this.

Each year, the main event details has decided post season and prior to the event. Changes are coming this year and the league expects it.

Wow. I assumed you were talking about next season.

Don't ever be that person

 

[nbrun]

Guys, I realize the perception of 'changing' rules throughout the season. This is not the case.

Respond as if it was next season perhaps.

 

[AlbinoDragon]

The only advantage that was given was the first seed got to pick the entire seating for the Main Event.

Am I the only one who noticed this? Being able to place your competitors on the table wherever you want is a huge advantage! Weakest players right where you want them, immobile rocks away from your play, and setting a kill-zone for the players you hope take each other out.

I agree that a league champion should benefit from their results in the regular season, but this seems a little bit excessive.

 

[grantc54]

I would do a combo of points and attendance.

We do:
(# games played)*(10% of base chips) + (points)*(0.25% of base chips) + base chips = players stack.

Base chips being the starting stack before factoring in bonus chips.

 

[nbrun]

I would do a combo of points and attendance.

We do:
(# games played)*(10% of base chips) + (points)*(0.25% of base chips) + base chips = players stack.

Base chips being the starting stack before factoring in bonus chips.

Awesome! I'll do the math and see how that fairs for us! Thx!

 

[HiveKueen]

So, everyone is expecting changes. do they know that the changes will give some players even more advantage over others than is already the case?

I also run a league and routinely announce changes at the beginning of a season. I use these as an incentive for players to play their absolute best during the season. Announcing the changes after the season in the way you are proposing can act as a disincentive.

Maybe make some changes but not so favorable to yourself and then make the type of changes you are proposing at the beginning of the next season???

I need to think more about your exact question before I respond on that.
HK

 

[nbrun]

So, everyone is expecting changes. do they know that the changes will give some players even more advantage over others than is already the case?

I also run a league and routinely announce changes at the beginning of a season. I use these as an incentive for players to play their absolute best during the season. Announcing the changes after the season in the way you are proposing can act as a disincentive.

Maybe make some changes but not so favorable to yourself and then make the type of changes you are proposing at the beginning of the next season???

I need to think more about your exact question before I respond on that.
HK

Appreciate it.

Yes - players do understand some changes my benefit them, some changes my not. I also dont want to not make changes that would benefit the first place player, just because it happens to be myself this year. I try my best to be as impartial as I can throughout this entirety of the league.

I will be continuously evalutating when I should make this change to the Main, but in the meantime would like your advice on the chip changes. Our starting stack is 100K with an optional 100K addon at level 6.

 

[GreatWhiteDope]

Appreciate it.

Yes - players do understand some changes my benefit them, some changes my not. I also dont want to not make changes that would benefit the first place player, just because it happens to be myself this year. I try my best to be as impartial as I can throughout this entirety of the league.

I will be continuously evalutating when I should make this change to the Main, but in the meantime would like your advice on the chip changes. Our starting stack is 100K with an optional 100K addon at level 6.

Do you just like having people throw shit at you? Making changes that benefit the first place player when YOU ARE THE FIRST PLACE PLAYER? This is pretty much the definition of the worst optics ever. That said, I have other questions before making any suggestions.

• Is there a special prize for winning the Main Event? If so, what?
• What is the buyin for the individual tournaments and the Main Event?

 

[TheRealStephen12]

I would probably report this game if I were playing in it, qualifying it as taking a rake since you’re getting a larger stack for the same price. Just make the changes for the next season BEFORE IT STARTS and take your opportunity to seat everybody however you want.

 

[buzzmonkey]

Do you just like having people throw shit at you? Making changes that benefit the first place player when YOU ARE THE FIRST PLACE PLAYER? This is pretty much the definition of the worst optics ever. That said, I have other questions before making any suggestions.

• Is there a special prize for winning the Main Event? If so, what?
• What is the buyin for the individual tournaments and the Main Event?

We don't talk about Bruneau.

 

[Eriks]

I would probably report this game if I were playing in it

 

[TheRealStephen12]

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Unregulated games in Canada are legal so long as there is no rake. Giving himself an advantage which has real ICM value after winning the leaderboard which was not previously announced effectively is one.

 

[dpeks13]

 

[Eriks]

Unregulated games in Canada are legal so long as there is no rake. Giving himself an advantage which has real ICM value after winning the leaderboard which was not previously announced effectively is one.

I don’t condone either, but I do feel that changing the rules midseason is a more mild offense than ratting out your poker friends to the cops because you feel hurt about said rule change.

 

[upNdown]

I don’t condone either, but I do feel that changing the rules midseason is a more mild offense than ratting out your poker friends to the cops because you feel hurt about said rule change.

Tougher call than it should be -
Stealing from your friends
or
Ratting out your friends for stealing
Hmm

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Tougher call than it should be -
Stealing from your friends
or
Ratting out your friends for stealing
Hmm

Na, its not. I don't like it either but if the league expects a different finale each year and they decide it after the season, its normal for them. We don't have to agree on structure or what's fair but its very different than reporting the game and getting cops involved. That's a crazy reaction.

"Each year, the main event details has decided post season and prior to the event. Changes are coming this year and the league expects it."

So they can decide amongst themselves what its like. If the friends don't like the winner getting a higher chipstack they can say so, they shouldn't run straight to the authorities to nuke the game.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Unregulated games in Canada are legal so long as there is no rake. Giving himself an advantage which has real ICM value after winning the leaderboard which was not previously announced effectively is one.

So what if he wasn't on top of the leaderboard? The fact that he has won the points in a transparent (I assume) manner drops all "rake" considerations. But reporting a game would bring scrutiny anyways so the tantrum would probably work to shut the game down.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

I'd at least ask for my money back or stop the rule change, but if I couldn't prevent the change or get all the money back I was owed, I wouldn't consider the people friends. I'll forgive somebody who cheated in Uno where it's just a competition, but not cheating me out of money (potentially a decent amount) is a no-go. It wouldn't be my first reaction, just if all else failed.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I'd at least ask for my money back or stop the rule change, but if I couldn't prevent the change or get all the money back I was owed, I wouldn't consider the people friends. I'll forgive somebody who cheated in Uno where it's just a competition, but not cheating me out of money (potentially a decent amount) is a no-go. It wouldn't be my first reaction, just if all else failed.

Do you see the difference between requesting money back or advocating to change the rules, versus reporting a game to the cops? Huge difference between those ways of handling it, and it makes me not want to play poker with you.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Do you see the difference between requesting money back or advocating to change the rules, versus reporting a game to the cops? Huge difference between those ways of handling it, and it makes me not want to play poker with you.

I thought it would be assumed it was an all-else failed scenario, I'm sorry I did not make that clear. I assume there's probably a decent chunk of money for winning, and I would just want what I'm owed, which is just a fair opportunity to play the game.

 

[dpeks13]

This is going to be one of those "get the popcorn" threads, isn't it?

 

[TheRealStephen12]

This is going to be one of those "get the popcorn" threads, isn't it?

No, I just didn't make it clear. Maybe it is a bigger reaction than most, but even if it did get changed I wouldn't continue to play said game in the future. I also recognize I wasn't clear originally, and didn't mean to make it such a big deal.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

No, I just didn't make it clear. Maybe it is a bigger reaction than most, but even if it did get changed I wouldn't continue to play said game in the future. I also recognize I wasn't clear originally, and didn't mean to make it such a big deal.

Sorry if I seemed jumpy, I understand more now. Just really dislike the idea of a player calling the cops on a league they've played and (assuming) enjoyed.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I don't like it either but if the league expects a different finale each year and they decide it after the season, its normal for them.

"Each year, the main event details has decided post season and prior to the event. Changes are coming this year and the league expects it."

So we have concluded our third season and are going into the Main Event in July. For the past two years, there has been no chip advantage to higher ranking players. The only advantage that was given was the first seed got to pick the entire seating for the Main Event.

There was no change ever, but now that the host is leading there is a change. The group expects it.

Just because your players are expecting a dick move, doesn't make it acceptable.

I see two options...

1. The rule change for this year will be "the rule for next year will be discussed this year".
2. If you are set on making a new rule for the first time, give the points leader 1 billion chips, and all others 1/2 a BB. Even the dimmest player will see how absurd it is for the guy that is making new rules to be the guy that benefits from them.

On a side note: unless the final event is a freeroll, I would never buy into a game knowing full well that somebody else was getting more chips than me. Oh, and the player that gets the most chips - he's the fella that beat us in the games when we had an equal starting stack.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Sorry if I seemed jumpy, I understand more now. Just really dislike the idea of a player calling the cops on a league they've played and (assuming) enjoyed.

I understand, sorry for not making myself clear originally.

 

[upNdown]

Na, its not. I don't like it either but if the league expects a different finale each year and they decide it after the season, its normal for them. We don't have to agree on structure or what's fair but its very different than reporting the game and getting cops involved. That's a crazy reaction.

"Each year, the main event details has decided post season and prior to the event. Changes are coming this year and the league expects it."

So they can decide amongst themselves what its like. If the friends don't like the winner getting a higher chipstack they can say so, they shouldn't run straight to the authorities to nuke the game.

Uhh, I didn’t think anybody was taking that “call the cops” guy seriously. Of course you’d never do that. Which is why it goes well next to this guy’s proposal. I question exactly how many of the guys are expecting a change and how fine they are with it.

Regardless, changing the rules for the final tournament is shitty thing to do in ANY case. Changing the rules in your own favor is reprehensible and anybody who thinks that’s okay is living in a different universe than me.