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[msuroo]

I say to say this: if I cant push someone off a .25/.50 pot with a 13 All in move, I’m not sitting down playing .5/.10 where we are literally just turning cards with little to no skill involved lol

Yeah this is entirely backwards. Lowering the stakes would introduce more skill at the same stack sizes, not the other way around. (Think of it this way, if you were playing 2/5, your 13 dollar bet would be completely trivial and you would literally just be turning cards over).

It sounds more like you just don’t want to play with nickels, bc 5 cents at a time is a trivial amount of money. If that is the case, and you don’t want to play bigger stacks, I’d suggest playing tourneys.

 

[shorticus]

@msuroo I don't see this as entirely backwards because it's apparent to me that lower stakes will not matter because for the level of skill at the table is minimal. The blind sizes only matter when you have skillful players who understand betting patterns, percentages, etc. My point being that with .5/.10 blinds an all in raise to $13 and with .25/.25 an all in raise to $13 should represent a hand of strength in which case 10/7o has no business in the pot.

Personally, I just think .5/.10 is too low especially for a group of what is looking to turn out to be a loose group of players which is why I said we would be just turning cards over.

Also, I'd venture to say that a $13 bet at a $2/$5 table would not be as strong a bet, but I'd imagine that a $2/$5 table would consist of far more skilled players being that the stakes are significantly higher (It's a better chance that a new player would start in .5/.10. Of course, in this scenario income plays a factor).

By the way, those Jacks are BEAUTIFUL! LOL

@BGinGA I absolutely want this call EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I just don't want to see that turn and river when that hand calls.

 

[Shaggy]

^^^ agree with above. Your players view $13 as $13... not as a certain number of BB or as an amount relative to the pot. Your 10-7o opponent called because it was "just $13 bucks... and he was this far."

That's okay... changing the blinds won't change that guy's call. The important thing was that his call was wrong.

 

[shorticus]

@Shaggy my thoughts exactly.

 

[CantSpellPoker]

^^^ agree with above. Your players view $13 as $13... not as a certain number of BB or as an amount relative to the pot. Your 10-7o opponent called because it was "just $13 bucks... and he was this far."

That's okay... changing the blinds won't change that guy's call. The important thing was that his call was wrong.

Have this same problem with my group that typically plays .25/.25 ... I could look down at , open to $3 (aka 12 BB) and get precisely zero folds, because my players don't see it as a huge raise, they see it as 3 bucks. Just have to adjust, and know that the other player's call was trash.

 

[msuroo]

I still fundamentally disagree that deepening the effective stacks takes skill *out* of the game. That’s just backwards. Certainly games can play above their stakes due to player behavior (so the difference in lowering the stakes in this game to .05/.10 may be marginal), and the hand in question may still play out the same at .05/.10 vs .25/.50. Ultimately, you are going to have to deepen the stacks somehow if you want skill to play a larger element in the game. If lowering the stakes won’t work, then you either need to increase stack sizes or play tournaments. It does sound a bit like maybe your players don’t *want* skill to be a larger part of the game - that they are happy to throw 20 bucks in the middle, drink a few beers, and have a good time. If that isn’t going to work for you then maybe you need to find a new game *shrug*.

 

[Shaggy]

^^^ or raise the stakes, keeping the current blinds.

 

[inca911]

Using a 10:1 factor may help your game. So $20 gets you $200 in chips. Rather than making the denominations low, keep the stakes low so players can see and experience normal chip values and not the cash values. If my chips show that I’m wagering $0.30, I’m calling a lot. If my chips state that I’m wagering $3, I might fold my garbage hands. Betting $130 in chips is a much rarer occurrence than betting $13 in real value. The psychology is different, even though the math isn’t. I call these games “microstakes”, and it would have the added benefit of your buying a cash set with denominations you will use in the future. I frame it as better practice for bigger games with significantly less financial risk and more fun.

 

[shorticus]

@msuroo you are right when dealing with skilled players. Home games are more likely to have people who aren’t as skilled. That’s the perspective I am looking at it from. But stakes are 100% relative to a person’s perception of said stakes.

I’m fine with the game we play. It’s a fun game and opportunity to learn and grow. Plus it’s hard to find another game in my area without having to go to the casino.

I was simply pointing out why lowering the stakes in this case would not fix the issue.

No harm no foul.

 

[SendThatStack]

You cant fix donks. It's not uncommon in the games i play to push all in $50+ preflop and get multiple callers.

 

[shorticus]

@inca911 interesting concept. Very interesting.

 

[shorticus]

@SendThatStack you don’t fix them. You profit off of them. Unless of course you’re trying to teach them the game. Then you profit while teaching LOL!

 

[SendThatStack]

@SendThatStack you don’t fix them. You profit off of them. Unless of course you’re trying to teach them the game. Then you profit while teaching LOL!

My game is all "experts" they can't be taught

 

[shorticus]

@SendThatStack sounds like you will make a killing LOL

 

[halfbreed]

You cant fix donks. It's not uncommon in the games i play to push all in $50+ preflop and get multiple callers.

That's our game. Just last week I got dealt bullets and ended up getting two callers pre-flop after I re-raised a $24 raise and call to about $80. My AhAd to 7d6d and Kc9c. No suck outs as the board came off with 4 straight hearts. Even if I did lose, I'm going to make that raise and be happy about the calls every time.

 

[Remy]

Playing deep requires more skill, but it sounds like the stakes are too low for your players (even if they refuse to raise them). You don't want skilled players, but if no one is ever folding, it sucks waiting for the nuts every hand.

 

[Rome]

Playing deep requires more skill, but it sounds like the stakes are too low for your players (even if they refuse to raise them). You don't want skilled players, but if no one is ever folding, it sucks waiting for the nuts every hand.

Yeah I don't understand not wanting to raise the stakes past a $20 buy in but then calling anything because "it's just $13". If $20 is the most you can stomach putting on the table you think you'd play almost paranoid against a $13 raise...

My group used to play $20 first buy in and I got them to bump it to $40 basically by saying it's more fun to play with $40 once than $20 twice. In a .25/.25 game, $40 let's you play poker while $20 isn't poker. People we're willing to give it a go. And what happened? People played $40 twice anyways with a rebuy, but we got to actually play poker vs nutshoving with full table calls.