History of Big Top Poker Chips (1 Viewer)

[ekricket]

Fortunately, that's not how the law works.

Hahahahahahahaha that’s some funny shit right there.

Typically the amount of justice you receive anywhere is directly proportional to the amount of money you have.

Unless you are a judge and we are sitting in your court your opinion is just that, an opinion. Of course if you are an officer of the court in any capacity you have the legal and moral obligation to report any crimes you are aware of. But we know how honest such people are wink wink.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

Of course if you are an officer of the court in any capacity you have the legal and moral obligation to report any crimes you are aware of.

Lol that's not how it works. Like I said, I don't really care either way. But I have all the evidence in my possession if Paulson gives me a call.

 

[Jimulacrum]

However, I have downloaded all the evidence on this forum.

Care to explain why you would do this?

 

[Jimulacrum]

Lol that's not how it works. Like I said, I don't really care either way. But I have all the evidence in my possession if Paulson gives me a call.

Imagine having under two dozen posts under your belt and openly proclaiming this kind of thing in a forum that you're barely a member of.

 

[ekricket]

Lol that's not how it works. Like I said, I don't really care either way. But I have all the evidence in my possession if Paulson gives me a call.

Imagine having under two dozen posts under your belt and openly proclaiming this kind of thing in a forum that you're barely a member of.

I expect he won’t be a member long.

 

[ekricket]

Lol that's not how it works. Like I said, I don't really care either way. But I have all the evidence in my possession if Paulson gives me a call.

Do you have the account of when other members did this exact thing, not just threatening but actually calling Paulson and reporting the suspected behavior?

You should get their account and their responses from Paulson before making uninformed threats.

You should also review their recent posts on this forum…….

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Fortunately, that's not how the law works. The scammers are liable, not me. However, I have downloaded all the evidence on this forum. If Paulson hired me as an expert, I'd happy consult for them.

What crime was committed?

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

What crime was committed?

For state criminal liability, we'd look to the laws of any state in which elements of the transaction occurred. Someone posted a Texas statute, so I'm guessing some of the fraudsters were located in Texas. They have a statute which criminalizes "deceptive trade practices."

2.42 A person commits an offense if in the course of business he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence commits one or more of the following deceptive business practices:

(12) Making a materially false or misleading statement:
(b) otherwise in connection with the purchase or sale of property or service.

"Business" includes trade and commerce and advertising, selling, and buying service or property.

For federal criminal liability, they'd absolutely be liable for mail fraud and wire fraud.

18 U.S. Code § 1341 - Frauds and swindles

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

Do you have the account of when other members did this exact thing, not just threatening but actually calling Paulson and reporting the suspected behavior?

You should get their account and their responses from Paulson before making uninformed threats.

You should also review their recent posts on this forum…….

I don't really care about any of this. It doesn't sound like Paulson does either. All I said was, I would serve as an expert if they hired me. They have apparently turned a blind eye, so there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I don't really care about any of this.

But I have all the evidence in my possession if Paulson gives me a call.

Sure seems like you care, at least inasmuch as you can throw other members of this forum under the bus to make a buck.

 

[ekricket]

I don't really care about any of this. It doesn't sound like Paulson does either. All I said was, I would serve as an expert if they hired me. They have apparently turned a blind eye, so there is nothing to worry about.

lol I’m the last person in the world that would worry about any of this. What worries me is your stupidity and ignorance of this corner of the world. But you seem to be open to some good natured trolling so I’ll play along for a while, but I got some shit to do in a bit. We can save some time and skip to name calling and fuck offs if you want to.

 

[Jimulacrum]

lol I’m the last person in the world that would worry about any of this. What worries me is your stupidity and ignorance of this corner of the world. But you seem to be open to some good natured trolling so I’ll play along for a while, but I got some shit to do in a bit. We can save some time and skip to name calling and fuck offs if you want to.

I still can't get my head around not only the behavior but the willingness to announce it.

It's like the kind of person who has a hard drive full of videos of his neighbors smoking pot, y'know, just in case.

And when those neighbors invite him over for a cookout, he calls them all druggies, tells them about the videos, and expects to be able to still hang out and enjoy the cookout.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

I still can't get my head around not only the behavior but the willingness to announce it.

It's like the kind of person who has a hard drive full of videos of his neighbors smoking pot, y'know, just in case.

And when those neighbors invite him over for a cookout, he calls them all druggies, tells them about the videos, and expects to be able to still hang out and enjoy the cookout.

Lol. People are openly confessing to crimes on a public internet forum. And now they cry because not everyone submits to their cone of secrecy.

Bottom line, the scammers have most likely gotten away with it. There is nothing to worry about.

 

[Lil Tuna]

I still can't get my head around not only the behavior but the willingness to announce it.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Lol. People are openly confessing to crimes on a public internet forum. And now they cry because not everyone submits to their cone of secrecy.

Bottom line, the scammers have most likely gotten away with it. There is nothing to worry about.

"They were openly smoking pot right where I and other neighbors could see them! Now they cry because not everyone submits to their cone of secrecy."

Say whatever you want. There's no version of this argument where you're not the scumbag.

 

[Lil Tuna]

There's no version of this argument where you're not the scumbag.

 

[bergs]

Tbh, sounds like a conspiracy between the casino owner and straw purchasers. There are about 1000 threads on this forum disproving the "innocent" explanation.

Bottom line, criminal statute of limitations have expired. Paulson hasn't sued anyone yet. But that doesn't mean consumers are free to defraud big corporations.

This wasn’t a straw purchase. It was a guy with a failing poker room trying to entice players to play there and the chips were negotiated as compensation.

It wasn’t like we were thrilled about driving 2.5 hours to a 3 table poker room in the middle of Northern Nowhere, NH but we did it to live up to the obligation that we committed too. There just wasn’t enough foot traffic there for even holdem to keep the room going in retrospect.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

This wasn’t a straw purchase. It was a guy with a failing poker room trying to entice players to play there and the chips were negotiated as compensation.

It wasn’t like we were thrilled about driving 2.5 hours to a 3 table poker room in the middle of Northern Nowhere, NH but we did it to live up to the obligation that we committed too. There just wasn’t enough foot traffic there for even holdem to keep the room going in retrospect.

You'd be surprised how many people in federal prison have also tried the "wink, wink" defense.

 

[bergs]

I don't really care about any of this. It doesn't sound like Paulson does either. All I said was, I would serve as an expert if they hired me. They have apparently turned a blind eye, so there is nothing to worry about.

The funniest thing is that he probably doesn’t realize who Tommy is or how the boat chips came into being.

Regardless, we got our chips as a promotional gift from a licensed brick and mortal casino that ordered them as promotional materials from Paulson. Good luck driving a legal dump truck through that. There was zero fraud or deception with the BTPs and nobody made significant amounts of money selling them - they were designed to be personal sets but once Krish and others pumped up the market here 50X, some people sold. But the sets were all personal-sized, nobody got BTPs in a quantity that could be construed as intent to distribute.

In any case, this thread is gonna get entertaining in about 4-8 hours if I had to guess.

 

[ThinkingFold]

In any case, this thread is gonna get entertaining in about 4-8 hours if I had to guess.

Next NAGB confirmed.

 

[Lil Tuna]

Next NAGB confirmed.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

Regardless, we got our chips as a promotional gift from a licensed brick and mortal casino that ordered them as promotional materials from Paulson. Good luck driving a legal dump truck through that.

How confident are you that your "casino owner friend" would stick to that story when he's facing 20 years in prison?

But the sets were all personal-sized, nobody got BTPs in a quantity that could be construed as intent to distribute.

Not relevant.

 

[bergs]

How confident are you that your "casino owner friend" would stick to that story when he's facing 20 years in prison?

I assume he’d tell the truth. Which is exactly what I relayed here.

How much of a sock sucking dickhead do you have to be to keep making assumptions about something you have no idea about?

 

[bergs]

Sure seems like you care, at least inasmuch as you can throw other members of this forum under the bus to make a buck.

….and the site owner, and most of the moderators, if he figures out what the boat chips are.

Anyway, barbarabooey or whatever the fuck, it was a pleasure (briefly) talking to you.

 

[BarbaraBooey143]

I assume he’d tell the truth. Which is exactly what I relayed here.

How much of a sock sucking dickhead do you have to be to keep making assumptions about something you have no idea about?

So you're saying, if the feds searched your emails, texts, and bank records, they would find:

1) No evidence of any communication between the scammers and the casino owner before the chips were purchased from Paulson;

2) No evidence from the graphic designer that the scammers were involved in the design;

3) No evidence from any bank records that the scammers paid for any chips? You're saying thousands of chips were "gifted" because the scammers drove a few hours to New Hampshire?

 

[RichMahogany]

Yay! This conversation again!

 

[Taghkanic]

This is accurate with the added detail that the casino owner that put in the order mandated that we go play poker at his small legal NH room a couple of times to try to drum up interest, and then the chips were given to us as promotional material.

I don’t think it worked. We went there a couple times and played some mixed games and had fun but he just couldn’t get a lot of foot traffic in the door given their northern NH location. I believe the room closed a while back.

Cool story

 

[jr8719]

It wasn’t like we were thrilled about driving 2.5 hours to a 3 table poker room in the middle of Northern Nowhere, NH but we did it to live up to the obligation that we committed too.

Drive 2.5 hours?! Bro, I'd walk for 2.5 days across broken glass to a poker room if I was getting my own set of custom Paulsons in return.

 

[MrRossKeys]

What crime was committed?

Lol. People are openly confessing to crimes on a public internet forum. And now they cry because not everyone submits to their cone of secrecy.

Bottom line, the scammers have most likely gotten away with it. There is nothing to worry about.

This thread is so confusing LMAO.

Maybe i'm dense, but someone please help me understand:
1. If I am Paulson, and I don't sell chips to individuals, only casinos, and..
2. Somehow an individual (not a casino, as @BarbaraBooey143 is claiming) were to get Paulson to agree to sell their chips to them...

Where is the crime? Seriously, if the sale happened, wouldn't it be safe to believe that Paulson either 1)didn't care or 2)did some due diligence as to whether the chips were being sold to a legitimate business?

And just for fun 3)DIDN'T WE JUST SEE one of the greatest chipsets of all time get produced and sold here without having been affiliated with an actual casino? I really don't get it. If Paulson wants to say they don't sell to individuals, and then deliberate sell to individuals, GOOD FOR THEM! What the heck is the argument here lol.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Don't feed the trolls