GPI forum interest? (1 Viewer)

ssanel54 said:
Whatever the case, If there is another group buy, Id suggest balancing the nuanced opinions of a bunch of chip nerds vs. the fact that someone is probably doing you a favor to get these chips made, and question how far you want to push it before they realize it may be more trouble than its worth.
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Don't take my comments as negative. There has never been a truly open group buy for GPI outside of Gemaco promotional chips. The company is not offering anything publicly on any mold, in any quantity. Jacks are not custom. There will always be a market for mint clay casino chips. Nobody is doing me any favours for anything. I do not consider an open auction or sale of privately sourced chips at 8x acquisition value a "favour".
 
allforcharity said:
Don't take my comments as negative. There has never been a truly open group buy for GPI outside of Gemaco promotional chips. The company is not offering anything publicly on any mold, in any quantity. Jacks are not custom. There will always be a market for mint clay casino chips. Nobody is doing me any favours for anything. I do not consider an open auction or sale of privately sourced chips at 8x acquisition value a "favour".
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I was not referring to any auctions as favors, but rather if you can get someone from a Casino to put in an order with GPI - they may not want the headache of a million asks about mold/spots/colors/textures etc....all things that are insignificant to most outside of this forum.

I would also argue that there have been a few open Group buys in the past. Pharaohs were a group buy, GCR solids, PCR? When those were available, people were thrilled, even though none of them were THC and spots were limited. Casino chips were always deemed superior to retail chips regardless of mold, but THC >RHC Casino chips is a relatively new development.
 
The past is past. I would be very happy, even 5 years ago, to get CDI98 fantasy chips at incredibly lower prices than is available now, and I wouldn't have looked twice at any Pharaoh or GCR or anything custom. But we don't live in that world anymore, and preferences are driven by what is wanted, not necessarily by what is available.
 
allforcharity said:
The past is past. I would be very happy, even 5 years ago, to get CDI98 fantasy chips at incredibly lower prices than is available now, and I wouldn't have looked twice at any Pharaoh or GCR or anything custom. But we don't live in that world anymore, and preferences are driven by what is wanted, not necessarily by what is available.
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Youre starting to lose me. I agree with what your saying above. The reality today is that if you want Custom Paulsons at cost you need to order them through a Casino or represent yourself as a casino. All I was saying is if you can get that far, dont throw away the opportunity because of a perceived mold superiority. Someone will always have a Leaded, Shaped, Textured, Vintage version which they will say is better....or theyll just have TRK.
 
allforcharity said:
Not to be a snob, but I don't think anybody here would want to run a Paulson buy, secret or not, on a RHC mold. It will be THC or nothing.

Okay, maybe I am a snob.
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Total newb questions - I'm guessing that THC stands for Top Hat & Cane and RHC is Reverse Hat & Cane? Is this correct and if so, what's the physical difference between the two molds?
 
Chris Manzoni said:
Total newb questions - I'm guessing that THC stands for Top Hat & Cane and RHC is Reverse Hat & Cane? Is this correct and if so, what's the physical difference between the two molds?
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THC on the left. Smaller inlay, larger rim, ring around outside of rim.

RHC on right. Larger inlay, smaller rim, no ring. Much more prone to flea bites due to proximity of hat indentation to edge of the chip.

Both are very nice, and have their advantages. I prefer THC.
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Chris Manzoni said:
Total newb questions - I'm guessing that THC stands for Top Hat & Cane and RHC is Reverse Hat & Cane? Is this correct and if so, what's the physical difference between the two molds?
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I think thats correct, but dont know if its Reverse hat and cane or Round hat and cane - its definitely more rounded in shape. Example would be the Jack Casino chips.

Top Hat and Cane, I believe has different versions as well like SCV and LCV Maybe someone more knowledgeable can weigh in. @BGinGA
 
Given the preponderance of RHC chips in casinos and GPI's 'policy' of pushing them to the forefront during the order process (for various legitimate business reasons), they should just retire the THC mold from casino use altogether.....

And offer it only to the non-gaming market, with a large set of restricted patterns and colors, based on those combos previously offered for home use.

This would protect both the integrity of past casino chip design choices, collector chip values (a lesser GPI concern, to be sure), and the future design needs for new casino business.

They would sell millions. And that's part of the problem -- it's a good news/bad news proposition, with that many chips flooding the market and into circulation, causing concern (warranted or not) with their casino customers about security and exclusitivity issues. It's just not gonna happen.

I'm certain that there is a faction within the company that sees the loss of home market potential sales as money being left on the table, but have been overruled by those influinced by the faction weighing the risk vs gain of such marketing actions.

They have made some progress in recent times, hence the Gemaco lammer chip products being made available to non-gaming industry customers (through distributors). It's a nondescipt product (no company logo or markings), standardized for simplicity, speed, and efficiency in terms of ordering and production, and contact with the public is handled through distributors, so it's pretty much a no-hassle transaction point for them sales-wise.

I think this is the future jump-off point for any type of legitimate home-market offerings from GPI. Hopefully the corporate brass will be willing to expand that business segment into areas that are more in alignment with the desires of both the casual home user and the high-end chip collecting/playing elitists.
 
BGinGA said:
Given the preponderance of RHC chips in casinos and GPI's 'policy' of pushing them to the forefront during the order process (for various legitimate business reasons), they should just retire the THC mold from casino use altogether.....

And offer it only to the non-gaming market, with a large set of restricted patterns and colors, based on those combos previously offered for home use.

This would protect both the integrity of past casino chip design choices, collector chip values (a lesser GPI concern, to be sure), and the future design needs for new casino business.

They would sell millions. And that's part of the problem -- it's a good news/bad news proposition, with that many chips flooding the market and into circulation, causing concern (warranted or not) with their casino customers about security and exclusitivity issues. It's just not gonna happen.

I'm certain that there is a faction within the company that sees the loss of home market potential sales as money being left on the table, but have been overruled by those influinced by the faction weighing the risk vs gain of such marketing actions.

They have made some progress in recent times, hence the Gemaco lammer chip products being made available to non-gaming industry customers (through distributors). It's a nondescipt product (no company logo or markings), standardized for simplicity, speed, and efficiency in terms of ordering and production, and contact with the public is handled through distributors, so it's pretty much a no-hassle transaction point for them sales-wise.

I think this is the future jump-off point for any type of legitimate home-market offerings from GPI. Hopefully the corporate brass will be willing to expand that business segment into areas that are more in alignment with the desires of both the casual home user and the high-end chip collecting/playing elitists.
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The one thing that might be helping is that they keep becoming part of bigger and bigger companies and the bigger the company the more growth they like to see. So if the Casino market dips or an upper level executive wants to show bigger profits to someone (are they part of a public company yet?) then they will be more likely to come up with suitable terms.

I'm curious why casinos bother with clay chips at all; I'm not a gambler but since the average home game doesn't care about the chips then does the average person at a casino? plastic chips seem like the way to go from a wear point of view.
 
Amish Rabbi said:
The one thing that might be helping is that they keep becoming part of bigger and bigger companies and the bigger the company the more growth they like to see. So if the Casino market dips or an upper level executive wants to show bigger profits to someone (are they part of a public company yet?) then they will be more likely to come up with suitable terms.

I'm curious why casinos bother with clay chips at all; I'm not a gambler but since the average home game doesn't care about the chips then does the average person at a casino? plastic chips seem like the way to go from a wear point of view.
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Many casinos are moving away from clay chips. I think their primary concern is the security features available
 
I don't think clay chips are going anywhere. They just added bunch of new security features to the Paulson line in the last 5 years.

Amish Rabbi said:
I'm curious why casinos bother with clay chips at all; I'm not a gambler but since the average home game doesn't care about the chips then does the average person at a casino? plastic chips seem like the way to go from a wear point of view.
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They rather sell a product that needs replacement sooner than later. Imagine if Nike sold sneakers with soles that never wear out. Their stockholders probably wouldn't be too happy.
 
Tommy said:
They rather sell a product that needs replacement sooner than later. Imagine if Nike sold sneakers with soles that never wear out. Their stockholders probably wouldn't be too happy.

I don't think clay chips are going anywhere. They just added bunch of new security features to the Paulson line in the last 5 years.
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Oh Inget why Paulson wants to sell them; I’m just not sure why casinos buy them. Are they that much cheaper than a plastic chip with rfid?
 
Amish Rabbi said:
Oh Inget why Paulson wants to sell them; I’m just not sure why casinos buy them. Are they that much cheaper than a plastic chip with rfid?
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The BJ S2 line is about the same price. RFID is available with all their chip brands I believe.
 
Well nothing will happen if our community doesn’t have representatives trying to contact GPI with the obvious financial opportunity we all know exists.

I know that Apache tries each year to make a deal. I am hoping others with influence are trying too...
 
It could be as simple as a couple tech savvy intellectuals who work at GPI. And maybe these gents aint really gents and realize they could make a shitload of money if they allowed access to GPI products but off the books.
Carefully doled out so as not to saturate the market, they cater to a public market for a small class of chipping elite...provided there is demand...:nailbite::cautious:
 
Quicksilver-75 said:
It could be as simple as a couple tech savvy intellectuals who work at GPI. And maybe these gents aint really gents and realize they could make a shitload of money if they allowed access to GPI products but off the books.
Carefully doled out so as not to saturate the market, they cater to a public market for a small class of chipping elite...provided there is demand...:nailbite::cautious:
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Wink wink nudge nudge say no more...
 
Quicksilver-75 said:
It could be as simple as a couple tech savvy intellectuals who work at GPI.
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Or an executive order from up high. What if the Japanese CEO or board chairman of Angel (or some other high muckety-muck) demanded that a large private set be made to exacting specifications. Would the VP of North American operations have the tenacity (or authority) to say no? Perhaps we need an 'in' at the Asian level.
 
allforcharity said:
Not to be a snob, but I don't think anybody here would want to run a Paulson buy, secret or not, on a RHC mold. It will be THC or nothing.

Okay, maybe I am a snob.
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IHC > RHC > THC

While I prefer the smaller inlay, something about the simplicity of the RHC mold attracts me to it over the busyness of the THC mold.

And anyone who gets THC over IHC is just wrong.

I guess I just have better taste. Sorry @allforcharity
 
grantc54 said:
IHC > RHC > THC

While I prefer the smaller inlay, something about the simplicity of the RHC mold attracts me to it over the busyness of the THC mold.

And anyone who gets THC over IHC is just wrong.

I guess I just have better taste. Sorry @allforcharity
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IHC starts at 44mm right? If we are talking about oversized, I think you have to use IHC.

Now someone needs to educate me :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Tommy said:
They rather sell a product that needs replacement sooner than later. Imagine if Nike sold sneakers with soles that never wear out. Their stockholders probably wouldn't be too happy.
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Exactly the same has happened in high-end automobile industry. Old air-cooled Porsches will outlive their current water-cooled counterparts.
The older models' "immortality" led the company close to bankruptcy in the late 80s
 
Coyote said:
Old air-cooled Porsches will outlive their current water-cooled counterparts.
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I sadly know this all too well, as my water-cooled Porsche decided that the oil didn't belong in the engine; instead, it decided that the catalytic converter was the proper place to store it.

(Oil light never went on -- thankfully, the engine seized before I started descending to the lower part of the city).
 
MD Mike said:
IHC starts at 44mm right? If we are talking about oversized, I think you have to use IHC.
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grantc54 said:
IHC is only 43mm. FHC is also nice. I think that is 50mm only.
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RHC and THC chips are 39mm, IHC chips are 43mm. FHC (Fat Hat & Cane) chips are 48mm. The unmarked crest & seal mold is 50mm.

Fwiw, GPI refers to both RHC and THC chips as "hat and cane", and to IHC chips as "43mm oversize". Also no differentiation between LCV and SCV molds, often using the two molds together on the same chips. Only chip geeks care about the minute differences in molds, and have pet names for them. :)
 

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