I really don't like that Ryan's recollection of the refund conversation is closer to hers than Garrett's.
Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (1 Viewer)
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CrazyEddie
Full House
The answer to all of your questions is: BECAUSE POKER PLAYERS ARE STUPID
It's what keeps the game alive.
ekricket
Royal Flush
What kind of player asks for their money back and then what kind of player actually takes it? Says a lot about his character if you ask me, makes him much more questionable to play with than her.
Fucking entitled brats. If you lose you lose. If you get cheated “fix it,” don’t whine. I’m responsible for the games I enter, and if I don’t take the proper precautions then it’s on me, not “whiny want my money back.”
Is this where we are now? F'in bi*ches. Is this PeeWees House of Poker?
Fucking entitled brats. If you lose you lose. If you get cheated “fix it,” don’t whine. I’m responsible for the games I enter, and if I don’t take the proper precautions then it’s on me, not “whiny want my money back.”
Is this where we are now? F'in bi*ches. Is this PeeWees House of Poker?
ekricket
Royal Flush
Sorry, stepped back from this and realized I was commentating on the poker equivalent of WWE wrestling.
Produced for TV fake action players.
Can’t wait for the action figures and poker mat.
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
I was hoping you’d post your thoughts in here, since you actually know most of the people involved. Your explanation makes the most sense, my only question is why did she initially say she offered him the money out of her own free will, and was fine if he took it as long as everyone was happy, and then later changed her story to say she felt threatened? Pressure from her backer maybe? But that’s disparaging Gman’s character as much as he has disparaged hers.
Do I think she cheated? Initially I thought probably, since it was such a horrible play, but now I’m leaning toward she most likely just was overcome by the moment and just made a really bad play that worked out in her favor. I do think Gman should give the money back, or at least put in in escrow with a neutral party until the outcome of the investigation is complete. It’s a bad look for him, regardless of what actually happened.
She’s been all over the place with how shes handled this. My best guess? It’s because she’s piling onto popular opinion and playing the victim a bit, even though she probably was exactly that.
The bravado-driven tweets challenging G to a heads up duel, the constant changing of stories, they all smell of someone who’s trying to figure out how to best use the limelight.
grandmeme
Straight
While I don't believe that Garrett should have taken the money - Robbi shouldn't be spouting about ten different stories and challenges while the other people involved is trying to get down to the bottom of the hand. It's just such a silly and attention-seeking type of move that is confusing for everyone. IMO if she just kept her mouth shut and had one consistent explanation all of this drama wouldn't be happening.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Great theme for a new set, tho.
Randy probably fits best on a red river, but how can you put him on anything but the hundo?
I can go simpler…..she made a losing play intentionally because she intended to lose
Talrem
Two Pair
The only way she could have cheated was if the cards were marked and she saw she had him beat in the hole. X-ray glasses?!?
She made one of the most stupidest calls I’ve ever seen in poker, and she was saved by G missing both rivers. That’s it.
Here‘s how her stupidity went:
1. She calls G’s pre-flop raise $2.2k with garbage. [She should have folded, in my honest opinion. Defend $800 with J-4 os??]
2. She calls a brick flop bet with no draw and insanely low odds of hitting a J?
4. She bluff-raises another bet on the turn with worse odds?
5. She CALLS an all-in with nothing, even when she thinks she is out-kicked with G’s ace??
Her reasoning at the end when G is wrapping his head around the loss out loud just makes her look dumber trying to find a logical justification for making the worst play and winning by pure luck.
“I thought you had and ace…”, then she should have folded!
”I knew you had shit…”, contradicts her previous statement.
”You let me do this to you…”, indicates that she had planned her play all along, knowing she would win.
Did she cheat? No
Did she get a miracle win? Definitely!
Should she quit poker? It’s a viable option.
She made one of the most stupidest calls I’ve ever seen in poker, and she was saved by G missing both rivers. That’s it.
Here‘s how her stupidity went:
1. She calls G’s pre-flop raise $2.2k with garbage. [She should have folded, in my honest opinion. Defend $800 with J-4 os??]
2. She calls a brick flop bet with no draw and insanely low odds of hitting a J?
4. She bluff-raises another bet on the turn with worse odds?
5. She CALLS an all-in with nothing, even when she thinks she is out-kicked with G’s ace??
Her reasoning at the end when G is wrapping his head around the loss out loud just makes her look dumber trying to find a logical justification for making the worst play and winning by pure luck.
“I thought you had and ace…”, then she should have folded!
”I knew you had shit…”, contradicts her previous statement.
”You let me do this to you…”, indicates that she had planned her play all along, knowing she would win.
Did she cheat? No
Did she get a miracle win? Definitely!
Should she quit poker? It’s a viable option.
My guess is that somebody wants to buy 15 minutes of fame and somebody else was willing to finance it. Success!?
Another alternative seems like some sort of long game to get access to other games or something.
She’s been all over the place with how shes handled this. My best guess? It’s because she’s piling onto popular opinion and playing the victim a bit, even though she probably was exactly that.
Exactly
TheDuke
Full House
The true simple answer is she's just terrible at poker - like the vast majority of people. She simply didn't know that calling in that spot was impossible/terrible.
People point to Hendon Mob and say she has loads of experience. That's not true. It shows 7 out of 8 years of history playing small stakes tourneys ($100 buyins). She's not a high stakes player - at least not in the realm of tourney play.
If you watch other hands she plays, she doesn't play well at all. And she doesn't seem familiar with some basic rules and etiquette. A few streams prior, she mucked the winning hand, but Garrett was gracious enough to give her the pot anyway.
Bad players win in spots they shouldn't. That's what drives the game and allows it to continue. If only the best players won every time, the game would cease to exist.
People point to Hendon Mob and say she has loads of experience. That's not true. It shows 7 out of 8 years of history playing small stakes tourneys ($100 buyins). She's not a high stakes player - at least not in the realm of tourney play.
If you watch other hands she plays, she doesn't play well at all. And she doesn't seem familiar with some basic rules and etiquette. A few streams prior, she mucked the winning hand, but Garrett was gracious enough to give her the pot anyway.
Bad players win in spots they shouldn't. That's what drives the game and allows it to continue. If only the best players won every time, the game would cease to exist.
if I was sitting next to her , and heard buzzing, I might get turned on a little
Honestly, is this not the kind of horrible play that you want to see fish playing against you?
Garret's behavior after the fact was disappointing, this is poker dude. He should have shrugged it off, rebuy, and hope to get his money back with her next stellar play. IMO I think he was embarrassed more than anything, I'm pretty put off by his threatening to walk out and especially even considering taking any money back.
This really shouldn't even be a story. It only is a thing because of the high stakes & it was on a stream. It happens more than you think when rec players are way above their heads/stakes in the deep end. He even said he had no idea what she had (when they were running it twice) and when he tried to push her off with the all-in it didn't work and there we are.
That anyone thinks this was a cheat on her part is just crazy talk. Bad players make bad moves and sometimes it pays off for them. She rambled on trying to explain her play because she didn't have a clue what she was doing IMO.
Garret's behavior after the fact was disappointing, this is poker dude. He should have shrugged it off, rebuy, and hope to get his money back with her next stellar play. IMO I think he was embarrassed more than anything, I'm pretty put off by his threatening to walk out and especially even considering taking any money back.
This really shouldn't even be a story. It only is a thing because of the high stakes & it was on a stream. It happens more than you think when rec players are way above their heads/stakes in the deep end. He even said he had no idea what she had (when they were running it twice) and when he tried to push her off with the all-in it didn't work and there we are.
That anyone thinks this was a cheat on her part is just crazy talk. Bad players make bad moves and sometimes it pays off for them. She rambled on trying to explain her play because she didn't have a clue what she was doing IMO.
This Reddit post says her Hendon Mob entry got merged with another person’s history of the same name and she’s only been playing for 1 year. Now I don’t see a second Robbi Lew on there but her history seems to only go back to October 2021 now:
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=169784
A lot of people are saying stuff like this, and I’m curious.
1) have you watched a lot of Garrett?
2) do you dislike Garrett?
I’ve watched a lot of Garrett. I’ve seen him take much bigger beats and I’ve never seen him react anything close to that. He shakes off losses like a pro shark who knows it’s just a matter of time before he gets another bite at the whale. So I’m sure he was not embarrassed.
So i ask those questions, because I can’t understand why somebody would have that opinion of Garrett’s reaction unless they’re either not familiar with him or they actively dislike him. Because otherwise, I feel like he’s entitled to some credibility.
I think he honestly thought he he was cheated. I don’t know everything that went into that calculation, but I don’t think it was ego. Still, if he’s wrong, this entire incident is indefensible. And since we’ll probably never know, yeah, this is bad for Garrett.
I can 100% confirm that Garrett thought, believes and continues to believe that he was cheated. It was definitely not ego.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
I am a fan of Gman, I can understand why he think the whole hand played out didn’t make sense and make a fuss about it after seeing a flustered Robbi and her explaining didn’t help
Be it jokingly or not, asking and actually taking back the money is IMHO a wrong move which I personally assume after a few days of reflection and cooling down period, Gman will do it right about the money afterwards.
It take a lifetime to build a reputation but it only take a moment to lose it.
As a non pro, they always know they are going to lose most of the time when playing against the pro. They always want to play a big hand with them regardless if they lost or win. They just want to have a story to tell in future.
So, playing a hand skill fully vs flipping an all in. The latter seem a much better choice to many novice player in a lot of spots, esp since Gman had been known to shove all in vs Non pro with draws on numberious occasions and it not the weirdest spot to call just to make a point and take a shot
Be it jokingly or not, asking and actually taking back the money is IMHO a wrong move which I personally assume after a few days of reflection and cooling down period, Gman will do it right about the money afterwards.
It take a lifetime to build a reputation but it only take a moment to lose it.
As a non pro, they always know they are going to lose most of the time when playing against the pro. They always want to play a big hand with them regardless if they lost or win. They just want to have a story to tell in future.
So, playing a hand skill fully vs flipping an all in. The latter seem a much better choice to many novice player in a lot of spots, esp since Gman had been known to shove all in vs Non pro with draws on numberious occasions and it not the weirdest spot to call just to make a point and take a shot
buffalojim
Royal Flush
I'm 95% sure we'll never know for sure, because I don't believe she cheated and there won't be any proof she did. They both come out looking bad for different reasons, her for incompetent poker skills and actually giving the money back, him for not being able to handle or accept he lost and asking for and receiving the money back. We're the only winners as we got to watch the shit show. Just my take on it.
bergs
Royal Flush
If
It’s a story because of Garrett’s reaction and his getting the money back. It makes all subsequent sessions with him kinda weird honestly.
For the most part your info makes sense. Also the 1-5 summary.
Except having J3 being false.
I rewatched this part again to confirm for myself.
(time stamps for the video in this post)
At 4:24 Garrett goes all in.
Robbi immediately looks down at her cards, for a few seconds then Lays them flat again.
She then thinks for a bit, then a little under a minute later at 5:20 she says... "3s no good?"
She doesn't re-check her cards before she calls at 5:50
Then the poop hits the fan.
The rest is debated ad nauseam, but this sequence is key. Its the pre call action. And what she probably thought she had.
I'm thinking she's embarrassed by what she called with once she realized a misread. Word salad ensues.
As someone who has checked and double checked my cards and STILL mis read the hand in play. AND still won. I can relate.
Does the stream show whether anyone folded a 10 preflop?
I ask because her decisions would make a little more sense (not a lot) if someone signaled to her postflop that one of the Ts was out of play.
I ask because her decisions would make a little more sense (not a lot) if someone signaled to her postflop that one of the Ts was out of play.
I mean yes and no. If he was just another guy, you’d have a fair point. But he’s been a pro’s pro for years, playing an uncountable amount of fairly high stakes games on live streams for years. He’s never had anything close to this.
Remember when Armenian Mike pulled that bullshit with the rack? Garrett was like so reluctant demand fairness there.
I agree that this incident sucks. But if you think Garrett is suspect because of this, I disagree. One suspect reaction to an insane hand doesn’t negate years of credible play, in my opinion.
I put this in the same category as people crunching equity as a reason for her actions/ calling.
She made a technically VERY bad call, there are literally so many hands that beat her its rediculous. Even Garrets holdings had 53% chance of winning on the turn.
1: As much as anyone that has seen his on various streams/shows
2: I don't dislike or like him, I've never met the man and only have seen him play poker on various programs.
Up until this I've thought of him as an above average competent pro which makes his behavior in this case troubling. I would assume that as a pro he has seen bad play many times before. But even if for whatever reason he feels like he' was cheated (which doesn't appear very evident to me or has been proven with anything other than speculation) he didn't shake this loss "like a pro shark". I can only assume he was extremely tilted to act that way. And taking back money lost at a poker table without any outright proof of cheating is not becoming of a professional IMO.
he (Garret) can have his suspicions and say he doesn't want to play someone, but to accuse without proof is VERY bad.
So im with the YES it makes him a suspect player to play with, only because he basically asked for and got his money back because he didn't like how a poker hand played out.
PERIOD.
edit: "having a lot of experience" and being well respected in the poker community carries weight but shouldn't make them the judge and the jury.
Negative 20 points for Garret
Ban him till he behaves like a respectable person, and apolofizes . Today preferably so I can collect $10 from @bergs
Nor' me either.
I've made a lifetime of bonehead moves that have both paid off (against all odds) and backfired in my face in hindsight. I would hope that no one ever though I was cheating because of them.
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