Tourney Do you really need 1k chips in a T4000 set? (1 Viewer)

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I'm guessing no, but that's what the chip room sold so just curious. Wouldn't $500 chips probably be all you need, unless you have like 2-3 tables worth of players?

I'm just curious b/c there's just not enough green/black chips in those sets to justify needing 1ks. They're super cool looking but I'm pretty sure I should just stick with another barrel or two of $100/500s
 
Yeah I guess I might not have considered rebuys...I guess I'm just talking about the ratio of chips they offered in that set being wrong to me
 
One thing to keep in mind is that the quantities available are what the casino had on hand. Their needs are much different than a bunch of chip enthusiasts who host small games.

For example, and others can say better here, I think casinos use far more $5 chips than any other single denomination. When it comes to the higher denominations, very few are made in comparison. And those are the ones we all want for our awesome tournament sets. So I think the specific breakdowns and denomination limits are an attempt to spread the scarce denominations around - both in an attempt to avoid targeted reselling and to prevent running out of everything except a mountain of leftover red $5 chips that might be difficult to sell on their own.
 
2 barrels + 2 spares ..... that's 10 rebuys (1 per player on a single table). Of course more is always better but that should be enough to get by
 
Yeah you probably could get away with making the T500 your top chip for that starting stack, something like 8/8/6 of T25/100/500. But the rebuy point is important, you would need 8 chips for every anticipated rebuy, if you had T1000 available, you would only need half of that. If you played T5000 instead of T4000 starting stack, you could get away with one chip per rebuy.

Let's consider the math.
For simplicity, I will assume 10 players with an estimated 5 rebuys needed.

T4000 starting stacks with only T25/100/500
Starting Stacks 8/8/6 of T25/100/500 220 chips.
Plus 2 T500 chips per player for color ups (20 more T500)
Plus 8 T500 chips per anticipated rebuy (40 more T500)

Gives you a lean 280 chips :).

T4000 starting stacks with T25/100/500/1000 chips
Starting Stacks of 8/8/4/1 of T25/100/500/1000 210 chips
Plus 1 T1000 chip per player for color ups (10 more T1000)
Plus 4 T1000 chips per player for anticipated Rebuys (20 more T1000)

A leaner 240 chips.

Now ordering quantity and whatnot will influence what you actually buy but the bigger denominations come in handy when you consider rebuys and color ups, even in single table tournaments. You can get away with high chips only for rebuys because the low chips needed are already on the table, and introducing only big chips on color-ups makes it easier to keep from adding chips to the game that will just be removed later.
 
I'm guessing no, but that's what the chip room sold so just curious.

Well now I realize you are probably referring to this.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/horseshoe-southern-indiana-set-sale.63303/

Meaning we were talking base T5 and not base T25 for the "T4000" tournament sets listed, which is good actually.

It looks like the overall breakdown is 100/100/100/80/20 of T5/25/100/500/1000

This set you can do 10 stacks of 10/10/7/6 of T5/25/100/500 to get T4000 plus additional rebuy stacks as follows.

3 stacks of 10/6/1 of T100/500/1000
1 stack of 2/3 of T500/1000
2 stacks of 4*T1000

and six leftover T1000 chips I would hold in reserve for color ups. (You will need 3*T1000 chips from color up to remove all of the T5 and T25 chips in play)

So what the T1000 chips are doing is actually giving you extra flexibility with a smaller quantity of chips that you wouldn't get by just adding T500 or T100 chips. IF anything, because of the nature of T5 Base tournaments, you probably have too many T100 chips (you only need 7 T100 plus 10 T25 and T100 to make 1000), but I am sure Jim designed these sets based on what chips were purchased to make as many playable, if somewhat imperfect sets out there.

That said, if you are thinking about getting a set like this just to trade the T1000 chips, you could figure a way to do the math to get to one of the more optimal breakdowns.

Good luck.
 
I agree that a 4K stack is not optimal for a T5 based breakdown.

With T5...blinds start at 5/10

So a normal buy-in would be T1000 starting stacks (100 bb 10/10/7)
Deepstack you have T2000 (10/10/7/2) or max T2500 (10/10/7/3) starting stacks

1K chips are only useful for rebuys but not needed in a T5 based tourney (except for 3 or more tables running)
 
For a single-table T5-base set with opening blinds at 10/20 (allowing 33%-50% increases with no doubling), T4000 stacks are quite reasonable -- that's a decent 200BB to start. I'd likely go with a 10/10/12/5 or 15/13/11/5 stack breakdown (pending availability), using 6 to 8 T500s to color-up the T5/T25 chips.

With ending blinds likely to be smaller than 1000/2000 (meaning T100s are still needed) and with less than 60 total T500s in play, T1000 chips are really not necessary.

But there's nothing wrong with including one per stack, however (10/10/12/3/1 or 15/13/11/3/1), and having ~37 T500s and ten T1000s in play at tourney end (along with a rack of T100s).

Either T500 or T1000 chips (or a combination) can be used to construct re-buys and add-ons. The more re-buys/add-ons, the more likely that ending blinds will reach 1000/2000 and higher, meaning that T1000 chips become more useful for both betting and the T100 color-up.

If restricted to a 100/100/100/80/20 set breakdown, then the 4K starting stacks are limited to 10/10/7/6 (or 10/10/7/4/1), using the extra T100s for T5/T25 color-ups -- putting 100x T100 and 60x T500 (or 40x T500 and 10x T1000) on the table at tourney end, with the remaining T500 and T1000 chips in reserve for re-buys/add-ons.
 
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IMH&HereticalO, you can have a T5-based tourney starting at T5/10 blinds, super deep at 300BB (T3,000).
If more than one table, or even for just one table, T1,000 chips may be useful for coloring up T100s and/or for rebuys.

A different case is a 200BB T4,000 tourney, starting at 10/20, with T10, T50, T100, T500 and T1,000 chips.
There, you may need T2K chips instead of T1Ks, for multiple tables and rebuys / add-ons.
 

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