Cash Game Do you ever cut anyone off? (1 Viewer)

I’ve never cut anyone off but I don’t play stakes where I think issues would arise.

One of my players with a pit problem put himself on Maryland’s “banned” list. He is now prohibited from playing in Maryland casinos and if he does and gets caught he can be charged with a felony. Getting off the list is hard. He still has a pit problem but now he drives to Charlestown in West Virginia. Go figure.
 
I'm curious about the etiquette behind this. I have been in situations where I'm ahead and the table "breaks". Typically, you will have 2/3 guys who still want to play. I don't really worry about where I am in the game monetarily, but I do not care to play with only 3/4 players, and often times I will just stop once people start leaving. Do you all find any issue with this?
 
shorticus said:
I'm curious about the etiquette behind this. I have been in situations where I'm ahead and the table "breaks". Typically, you will have 2/3 guys who still want to play. I don't really worry about where I am in the game monetarily, but I do not care to play with only 3/4 players, and often times I will just stop once people start leaving. Do you all find any issue with this?
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What issue?
 
Highli99 said:
I’ve never cut anyone off but I don’t play stakes where I think issues would arise.

One of my players with a pit problem put himself on Maryland’s “banned” list. He is now prohibited from playing in Maryland casinos and if he does and gets caught he can be charged with a felony. Getting off the list is hard. He still has a pit problem but now he drives to Charlestown in West Virginia. Go figure.
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I knew a guy that played at Potowotami Casino in Milwaukee. He wrote the casino a letter asking that he be banned from the poker room. To be unbanned, he would have to write them another letter. They honored his request.

Next closest game was about an hour away.

He was actually pretty happy with the arrangement. The travel time reduced his play to a reasonable level. As far as I know, he never asked to be unbanned.
 
DrStrange said:
I cut people off when I know them to be over their head.

For example, I had a player who was a waiter with a wife and new kid. His limit was $100 and he only could come once a month. One night he showed up with a back seat filled with laundry and bought in with the money set aside to do the laundry, though we didn't know the story until after he lost. Ended up taking a collection to help him out - it would have been a bad thing to send him home with no money and the unwashed cloths.

We have also had this sort of discussion with one of the lawyers in the game. He had dropped something like $30,000 in six months and we came to worry in might be enough to make life difficult. He explained that he worked Saturdays taking DWI/DUI cases from college students after a bad night at poker. He could pick up a couple of grand a day that way. Him, we didn't cut off.

It all boils down to the long term health of the game. We know the rule of thumb - shear a sheep many time but only slaughter the pig once. -=- DrStrange
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Heck, let the dude do the laundry at your house while he plays. Then nobody has to go out of pocket. Did he bring soap?
 
I played a home game about 2 months ago where a fellow lost quite a bit. He is certainly not a fan of me nor am I a fan of his. He gets too drunk and is a total dick. I personally can get plastered at tables and still be a good guest/good company, he cannot.

Long story short, I got the better of him a few too many times. He lost well over a grand. The other players and I tallied it up and he had lost 1400 in a $200 max buy in 1/2 game. What made the host cut him off (from playing) was when he bluffed off 200 to me on the first hand of his buyin. When he lost, he threw his hand across the room.

I’d like to think he would have been allowed to stay if it wasn’t an Omaha hand and we didn’t have to pick up 4 cards!!!

TL;DR Omaha sucks. Play Hold Em ;)
 
I assume that if we associate that playing the laundry money to game addiction, the real question is how much you care about people's addiction disorder in general (drug, sex, alcohol, speed, etc.)
And it's the fact that he have a problem that bother you or the fact that the guy undergo his addictions at your place ?

I'll personally would had a discussions AND cut him off.
 
CraigT78 said:
Nope. The table breaks when it breaks.
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Exactly. At the end of the night it could go either way depending on who is left, what time it is, ect.....Sometimes we play 3-4 handed for a couple of hours. Some guys don't like that and I get it.
 
We have someone like that who lost money even on a night where he hit quads 4 times! Everyone encourages him to fold but we let him play with unlimited rebuys. When he hosts though, there were multiple generous donations from the winners.
 
We tend to keep it friendly and give a heads up before the game starts - if we all think someone is blowing through stacks and they are clearly not thinking right, we'll make it clear to them that maybe they should hold before diving right back into the game. We also but a soft max limit buy back (usually 2 to 3), and then feel it out as the game progresses.
 
Here is the problem. When playing with friends... I have guys that have the attitude "were just here having fun" because to win or lose a few hundos is not a big deal.. but the issue arises when a player who is a calling station continues to pay and lose over and over again. I have seen a few of these guys catch hands they had no business in and take money off others, only to give it right back to the table over the next 45 minutes.

I lean on the side of - they are grown ass men and when they are winning, no one checks on if they need help carrying their wallet out...
 
I always like to err on the side of caution. Gambling addiction is real and although one is more likely to go to a casino to satisfy that itch it certainly happens at home games.

That being said I like to keep the sakes small enough that it is always fun and never a burden. If a typical buy in is $20 even at 5 buy ins you aren't breaking the bank! I understand more experienced players often need more incentive to play but I am happy enough at micro stakes.

Even if they are grown ass men I wouldn't hesitate to cut someone off if I truely felt they could not afford to play. In my small group I don't see happening.
 
We’re currently setting up our home game (corona gives us a lot of planning time), and the first rule we agreed on was no loans, no markers and a maximum you can bring to the night.

Not just because of the addiction issues, but as stated before: it shakes up an otherwise balanced game among friends because you have another 800 BB’s in your pocket and I thought this was a casual game and only brought one buy-in.

Also, yes, they’re grown ass men, but I feel like a lot of the people in this thread are being cavalier about addiction?
 
It sometimes isn’t even about the stakes. Most of us will play at the casino frequently 1/2 or 2/4 etc. But our game is intended to be a social one so we usually play somewhere in between .25/.25-1/1. But we have one guy who we all really like who just plays incredibly aggressive and loose and some nights will be two rebuys in within the first hour. By the time he is 5+ rebuys in his play and state is just not healthy to continue and we have to cut him off on occasion. The amount of money is completely inconsequential to him but everyone, including him after some serious talk, realize it’s just not good for him to continue playing that night. Fortunately we know him well enough to realize if he is in a star that isn’t right and should pack up and he respects us enough to eventually listen to us.
 
MathijsVS said:
it shakes up an otherwise balanced game among friends because you have another 800 BB’s in your pocket and I thought this was a casual game and only brought one buy-in.
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I see your point, and it might be that a maximum number of buy-ins in some circumstances might be a good idea. But on the other hand, IMO it's boring and a bit anti-social that my poker night is over if I get coolered a couple of times in the first hour. (In the context of a cashgame, of course)

IMO a cashgame should allow an infinite number of rebuys, and cutting people of should be handled on a case-by-case basis.

Ex: When Mike, an otherwise winning player who is practically just freerolling with everyone else's money, is on a losing streak for the night and wants to buy in a seventh time, of course he is allowed. Another night Mike is extremely drunk trying to get over a breakup and is donking off buy-ins, then perhaps it might be prudent to let him call it a night?

I think the level of the stakes are more important than setting a max on buyins. In NL players should be felted now and then, and statistically there will be nights when you are felted multiple times, regardless of skill level. That shouldn't prematurely end your poker night, IMO
 
MathijsVS said:
We’re currently setting up our home game (corona gives us a lot of planning time), and the first rule we agreed on was no loans, no markers and a maximum you can bring to the night.

Not just because of the addiction issues, but as stated before: it shakes up an otherwise balanced game among friends because you have another 800 BB’s in your pocket and I thought this was a casual game and only brought one buy-in.

Also, yes, they’re grown ass men, but I feel like a lot of the people in this thread are being cavalier about addiction?
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My best defense from being put in a situation like this is limiting the games I spread - nobody ever lost more than $200 in a night at one of my games and we can all afford that. .25/.50 is the largest game I spread. People wanting 1/2 can go to the casino for that.
 
MathijsVS said:
We’re currently setting up our home game (corona gives us a lot of planning time), and the first rule we agreed on was no loans, no markers and a maximum you can bring to the night.

Not just because of the addiction issues, but as stated before: it shakes up an otherwise balanced game among friends because you have another 800 BB’s in your pocket and I thought this was a casual game and only brought one buy-in.
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tabletalker7 said:
My best defense from being put in a situation like this is limiting the games I spread - nobody ever lost more than $200 in a night at one of my games and we can all afford that. .25/.50 is the largest game I spread. People wanting 1/2 can go to the casino for that.
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Personally if you use a table cap (or a hand cap) and all players are able to comfortably go in for 3 buy-ins the playing field is pretty level. I don't think it's that much of an "advantage" to go 10 buy-ins deep in a night. Yes it could happen to a skilled player, but usually, such a player is a donor.

I definitely think loans are an issue and I have a policy that loans are by player consent only, the house won't be involved. However, I would consider refusing a player if I knew they were running up bad debt. That's really the first sign of a gambling problem. Otherwise, I assume everyone playing can afford to play, I think that's just part of the code when joining a game and my players have been fine with that as long I have been hosting.
 

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