Tourney Decide between two tournament setups... (1 Viewer)

[longflop]

I've gotten the itch to start my own semi-custom tournament set. I currently use a 750 chip poker knights setup consisting of $.25, $1, $5 and $25 dice plaques. I run a 18 player, one rebuy per person tournament, starting with 100BB. My blind structure, which was developed with your guys help, results in a 3.5 hour tourney, its perfect.

But of course, thanks to this forum, I can't sit still. I'm looking at some blanks that @Lars has for sale, and will get some labels done for them. I want a tourney chip setup that will accommodate both a T5000 and T10000 starting stack. I figure I can use my existing blind structure, just replacing .25/.50 blinds with T25/T50 blinds so the starting stacks would be 100BB and 200BB depending on starting stack.

So assuming 18 players each utilizing their full starting stack rebuy under the T10000 stacks would result in a total chip requirement of T360,000.

Utilizing the traditional tourney chip denoms, and recomended mixes found on here, I came up with this setup:

(this would also cover the color up of the T25, T50 and T100 chips)

Now since this will be a semi-custom set, and although it may not be traditional, I can put whatever I want as denoms, I also came up with this, which follows my current cash set breakdown,

(this would also cover the color up of the T25, T50 and T100 chips)

I guess my question is, why would I go with the traditional tournament breakdown? That T2500 chip seems to be a lot more useful than having the T500 followed by the T1000. Why do tournament sets not have the T2500 chip? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the traditional setup?

I can get a smaller set, that keeps my costs down a bit and accomplishes the same things, what am I missing?​

 

[v1pe]

25/100/500/2000/10000

Is a lesser used denom breakdown than the typical 25/100/500/1000/5000/25000.

Most often you're better off going with the standard, it's what people are used to and I believe it's just a efficient in regards to chips required until you break into 3+ table tournaments.

@BGinGA can elaborate better than I could.

We could really use a resource for these two breakdowns that we can direct people to as the question comes up quite often.

 

[v1pe]

There's something about 2500 that makes it much less preferable to 2000 also, not exactly sure what that is but I trust the people Ive heard say it.

 

[BGinGA]

I run a 18 player, one rebuy per person tournament, starting with 100BB.

I want a tourney chip setup that will accommodate both a T5000 and T10000 starting stack.

assuming 18 players each utilizing their full starting stack rebuy under the T10000 stacks

The T500/T2000/T10000 set progression is really only useful (and more efficient) for large starting stacks (20K+) and/or large tournament fields (20+ players). The T2000 chip is much more efficient and mathematically useful than is the T2500, and for that reason I never recommend using a T2500 chip under any circumstances.

So in your case, I'd recommend going with the standard T500/T1000/T5000 set progression. For 18 players using 12/12/5/1 (5K) or 12/12/5/6/(10K) stacks, you'll need:

216 x T25
216 x T100
90 x T500
136 x T1000 (28x used to color-up T25/T100 chips)
45 x T5000 (9x used to color-up T500 chips, 36x for 18xT10K re-buys)
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703 chips

Realistically, you don't really need that many T5000s for re-buys -- just 18x is plenty (typical re-buy rate is 25-30%), and would drop your set total to 685 chips. And using T5000 chips (instead of T1000) to color-up T100 chips would result in this slightly smaller 668-chip set, if budget constraints are in play:

216 x T25
216 x T100
90 x T500
114 x T1000 (6x used to color-up T25 chips)
32 x T5000 (14x used to color-up T100/T500 chips, 18x for 9xT10K re-buys)
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668 chips

For an even smaller set that still works for your situation, you can go with 8/8/4/2 (or 8/8/4/7) starting stacks:

144 x T25
144 x T100
72 x T500
130 x T1000 (4x used to color-up T25 chips)
29 x T5000 (11x used to color-up T100/T500 chips, 18x for 9xT10K re-buys)
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519 chips

 

[BGinGA]

(this would also cover the color up of the T25, T50 and T100 chips)

I hope this was a clerical error, and that you are not really using T50 chips. :

 

[longflop]

I hope this was a clerical error, and that you are not really using T50 chips. :

I fat fingered that one, should have read T500.

BG, I really appreciate your help on this one. I think I may look at the smaller set breakdown and just round everything up to make full barrels of each.

 

[BGinGA]

Note that for your T5000 stack events, you should probably do all T100 color-ups with T1000 chips (not T5000). With only 2x T1000 per player in play, more will be needed in the middle and late blind levels, and it's unlikely to ever get to the point where you remove T500s.

 

[longflop]

Since you're here. These are the chips I was looking at that @Lars needs to get rid of.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/cps-labeled-cash-and-tourney-and-blanks.24332/

In your opinion, what would be a good color progression for those? I really like both the almond and yellow chip, but I would want to avoid having them on the table at the same time, they would probably be too close in color for some people. I was thinking almond T25, black T100, green T500, purple T1000 and yellow T5000. different from typical colors, but enough contrast where hopefully guys wouldn't get tripped up. towards the end, the purple would color out the black and almond leaving green purple and yellow.

 

[BGinGA]

If going for non-standard colors, the only caveat worth noting is the similarity of the black and blue chips (T100 and T500 in the original set). For denoms T25-T5000, and if using both chips, I'd make one of them the T5000 chip and the other one the T25 so that they would never be on the table at the same time. The yellow and almond chips are also a bit close in hue, but not as bad as the black and blue chips.

Only other suggestion for using non-standard colors is to have the label denominations printed as large and as clearly as possible.

Beyond those three things, anything goes with that set. Pick the colors you like best that he has in the quantities you need.

 

[BGinGA]

Assuming his listed quantities are still correct, I think I'd go with:

T25 green
T100 black
T500 red
T1000 almond (or yellow)
T5000 orange

If you think the red and orange are too close, just get the labeled purple T100K chips for your T500s and remove the labels. Don't need that many, so a somewhat minimal extra expense.

And don't forget to pick up an extra barrel of another color to use as bounty chips.

 

[guyfleegman]

I've gotten the itch to start my own semi-custom tournament set. I currently use a 750 chip poker knights setup consisting of $.25, $1, $5 and $25 dice plaques. I run a 18 player, one rebuy per person tournament, starting with 100BB. My blind structure, which was developed with your guys help, results in a 3.5 hour tourney, its perfect.
But of course, thanks to this forum, I can't sit still. I'm looking at some blanks that @Lars has for sale, and will get some labels done for them. I want a tourney chip setup that will accommodate both a T5000 and T10000 starting stack. I figure I can use my existing blind structure, just replacing .25/.50 blinds with T25/T50 blinds so the starting stacks would be 100BB and 200BB depending on starting stack.

So assuming 18 players each utilizing their full starting stack rebuy under the T10000 stacks would result in a total chip requirement of T360,000.

Utilizing the traditional tourney chip denoms, and recomended mixes found on here, I came up with this setup:

View attachment 166352

(this would also cover the color up of the T25, T50 and T100 chips)

Now since this will be a semi-custom set, and although it may not be traditional, I can put whatever I want as denoms, I also came up with this, which follows my current cash set breakdown,

View attachment 166354

(this would also cover the color up of the T25, T50 and T100 chips)

I guess my question is, why would I go with the traditional tournament breakdown? That T2500 chip seems to be a lot more useful than having the T500 followed by the T1000. Why do tournament sets not have the T2500 chip? What are the advantages/disadvantages of the traditional setup?

I can get a smaller set, that keeps my costs down a bit and accomplishes the same things, what am I missing?​

What is your blind schedule for your T100 game using: .25/1/5/25
I am going to use my cash set until I get a good feel for how many tables I can muster on a regular basis.

 

[longflop]

This was developed relying heavily upon @BGinGA suggestions (I think he might know what he's talking about).

Level SB BB
1 $0.25 $0.50
2 $0.50 $1.00
3 $0.75 $1.50
4 $1.25 $2.50
5 $2.00 $4.00
6 $3.00 $6.00
7 $5.00 $10.00
8 $8.00 $16.00
9 $15.00 $30.00
10 $25.00 $50.00
11 $40.00 $80.00
12 $60.00 $120.00
13 $100.00 $200.00

Starting with 100BB I go with 20 min levels, 200BB and I move it down to 15 minute levels. Depending on play it is usually around the 3.5-4 hour mark, which is perfect for my guys attention span. This structure has really worked well for my group.

 

[longflop]

This was developed relying heavily upon @BGinGA suggestions (I think he might know what he's talking about).

Level SB BB
1 $0.25 $0.50
2 $0.50 $1.00
3 $0.75 $1.50
4 $1.25 $2.50
5 $2.00 $4.00
6 $3.00 $6.00
7 $5.00 $10.00
8 $8.00 $16.00
9 $15.00 $30.00
10 $25.00 $50.00
11 $40.00 $80.00
12 $60.00 $120.00
13 $100.00 $200.00

Starting with 100BB I go with 20 min levels, 200BB and I move it down to 15 minute levels. Depending on play it is usually around the 3.5-4 hour mark, which is perfect for my guys attention span. This structure has really worked well for my group.

Also, forgot to mention that there is a break after level 4 to color out the .25's and after level 8 to color out the 1's. We're usually ending on level 11 or 12, never made it to 13 yet. I guess a logical level 14 would be $160/$320, which would follow the 60% increase. The 3.5-4 hours counts for breaks, which guys take their time getting back to the table.

 

[guyfleegman]

Structure makes total sense.
How are you doing starting stacks for $50 and $100 respectively? With $25 not being usable for blinds until level 10 do they see much action overall?

 

[longflop]

Structure makes total sense.
How are you doing starting stacks for $50 and $100 respectively? With $25 not being usable for blinds until level 10 do they see much action overall?

I've got a 750 chip set of Poker Knights that I'm using right now with a set breakdown of 300 $.25, 300 $1, 150 $5 and $25 plaques. I know, I know, that's not an efficient set breakdown, but I'm learning as I go, and I bought them before I had been properly schooled. I like to give the guys a big stack feeling, so I try to get as many chips out as possible to start. I've got a max of 18, so if the max shows up starting stacks are 16 $.25, 16 $1 and 6 $5 for T50. for T100, I just add 5 $25's. I put together an excel that calculates what your starting stack could be with your chip set. It is just a guide as to what the stack could be with getting all your chips out there. I'll PM you.