Cash Game Deadly Sins (1 Viewer)

[k9dr]

One home game I am playing in now has the slugged chips, paper cards, no cut cards, and the players pre deal the flop, turn and river. We are also playing on a pool table. I continue to play because it has been a very lucrative game.

I did bring a nice setup of Modianos last week and everyone seemed to like them. I still can't get them to use cut cards though.

We did have an incident last week where the dealer turned over the flop and the turn at the same time. I couldn't stop myself from mentioning that is one reason why you don't pre deal the flop, turn, and river. It didn't seem to phase anyone else. I tried to explain that the turn card should be shuffled back in and redealt, but the stub was already mixed in with the muck so we just played a 4 card flop.

 

[MillyS]

One home game I am playing in now has the slugged chips, paper cards, no cut cards, and the players pre deal the flop, turn and river. We are also playing on a pool table. I continue to play because it has been a very lucrative game.

I did bring a nice setup of Modianos last week and everyone seemed to like them. I still can't get them to use cut cards though.

We did have an incident last week where the dealer turned over the flop and the turn at the same time. I couldn't stop myself from mentioning that is one reason why you don't pre deal the flop, turn, and river. It didn't seem to phase anyone else. I tried to explain that the turn card should be shuffled back in and redealt, but the stub was already mixed in with the muck so we just played a 4 card flop.

that's happened to me in a game before, was p*ssed as I had the nuts!

 

[AdamAAAA]

I'd encourage you to stay the course, and I can relate to the issue. You're smart to participate there if you wish to maintain the social contact and not try to change the game, although the 2 items above are probably dealbreakers and if it were me I'd attend occasionally. Just focus on your game and do what you need to.

When I "inherited" my game and agreed to host I was part of a player pool that did things much more casually and differently; pulling light, limit structure, every chip worth $1 no matter the denom value (lol), making change before action completed, etc. I made it clear I wanted a different game if I was hosting, and moved to RROP rules more attune to our local casino and big bet games. I got calls and complaints, essentially change is hard for people, and although I respected the fact I was changing habits and a social circle that had gone on for years, I couldn't stomach hosting what was for me a game that lacked some structure (tourney and cash).

I lost 2/3 or more of the old guard. I recruited new players. Even today some infrequent players have lodged the "too many rules" complaint, but I think they don't understand the rules they take for granted and guide their decisions. Let them be on the short end of a poorly run game and they may see things differently. If criticism is leveled I always ask, "which rules, I want to improve it." Usually they have nothing specific. My game now has a reputation of being fun and fair. Dealers who work and play at my game have told me it's the best around, and that makes me proud, because there are some notable ones that can't stay consistent. Just recently we picked up a new player, experienced, who has been a part of many home games and a super nice guy. He says my place is his favorite. Compliments like those make it worth it.

I can understand the distress of the implied criticism that their game is more social and fun, but keep building your game, promote it as fun and fair. Don't let the "rules argument" take center stage, they exist as a structure and safety net if needed. The players are what make a game.

I don't know why people thing games can't be fun if there are rules. As the saying goes, rules help control the fun. I struggle to play in the only regular game I'm able to setup because there are so few rules. But being a new group (all people I work with) I'm hoping to shape them into a rule loving group.

I'd love to come to one of your games!

 

[NicholasAK]

Its the people without a clue that donate the most. Poker is more than understanding how to adjust to a players 3 bet fold % rate...at low stakes its how to adjust to 2 are wild and johnny wants to buy $20 from the bigstack.

I personally try to be the bigstack being purchased from...just say something when chipstacks are close to even. I always buy the guys free drink tickets he's selling at a discounted price. Lose an edge in pushfold math to sheer the sheep as opposed to skinning them.

I explain why predealing is bad, bring my own copags, point out the bottom card when its flashed (ensuring they use the cut card). Always am 100% fair so that disputes are usually settled by me...tend your flock and they'll keep you fed.

 

[upNdown]

Talk to me about why 5 denominations in play is a sin.
I assume it's because the denominations were so close together? I totally get that - it's just too much.
And clearly it would be difficult to keep track of what was what if they're unlabeled dice chips.
Is that it, or is there more to it than that? I have the feeling that some people like to play with only two denominations, so they can have huge towering stacks. Is that also in play here?

 

[AdamAAAA]

I don't think 5 chips in play is a sin, it's more to do with them being close in denomination. In the beginnings of a tournament, you might have 25/100/500/1000 in play (some would argue to swap out the 1k for 2k).

However, if you had 25/50/100/250/500/1000 that's just a nightmare and no need for it.

 

[Adam Crowley]

Played a tourney 2 weeks ago start stack was 100/200/500/1000. It tilted me to no end