Cash Game Courtesy of betting “pot” vs specific amount in PL? (1 Viewer)

[Gobbs]

I agree that it's the player's responsibility. But I don't see how that equates to banning the counting of the pot in a friendly home game. After all, its not like the chips disappear after they are bet. Call clock if its taking too long, I guess?

Simply put, and as has been mentioned above, the dealer should never give any information to the players, verbally or otherwise. The dealer shouldn’t react to board cards, mention possible flushes or straights, or answer questions about bets, pot-size etc. The dealer is there to control the game, pitch cards, and run the action; not to assist players in making decisions.

 

[Lil Tuna]

So far, in this thread, i've some great notes on what tilts Forrest and Paulo.... carry on.

And plenty of time before February to study!

 

[BGinGA]

My best argument for it is like remembering folded cards in Stud or other games that have face up individual cards. You wouldn’t want the dealer to tell someone what seat 8 folded on 4th street either. Or who was the initial better preflop. This is all useful information that everyone had available to them and if you forgot it then that is my advantage. Knowing how much is in the pot is useful information.

If you want to deny someone you think is drawing to a straight the correct odds to call, knowing how much is in the pot is crucial to making the right sized bet. If a player misjudged that amount they could give someone drawing a very good price.

A friend of mine that is a dealer at the local casino was telling me that in the limit O8 game they have to split the pot as they rake it even if a low is not possible so that if a player doesn’t realize it they don’t get that information from the dealer by only having 1 stack of chips. They don’t want the dealer to potentially influence action. Announcing the pot size could influence action in NLHE.

Simply put, and as has been mentioned above, the dealer should never give any information to the players, verbally or otherwise. The dealer shouldn’t react to board cards, mention possible flushes or straights, or answer questions about bets, pot-size etc. The dealer is there to control the game, pitch cards, and run the action; not to assist players in making decisions.

All good explanations, but fwiw, probably closer to a 10-year-old level.

 

[moose]

Just to be clear, in our case everyone has a general sense. The bettor has a general sense and the other player's have a general sense. The other players are frustrated when the bettor bets "pot" instead of $32 specifically when the pot is very roughly around $32 (.25/.25 so lots of quarters and $1's) but may be $31.50 or $32.25 etc. They just want the bettor to bet $32 or $33 or whatever to make it move quicker than committing the play to specifically the pot that no one has counted exactly at that point. No one is too sensitive about the exact quarter etc. so if the bettor said $32 and it looked roughly correct to the pot no one would question it.



PLO/NLHE dealer's choice weekly for the last 7 years with the same exact people in question.

I'm with your players. If you don't know what pot is, make a general bet rather than saying pot. Personally I don't get the obsession with always betting pot. Yes it is cool to say pot/pot mutherfucker but in reality the difference of a few dollars doesn't make a difference. I rarely declare pot for the very reason that I don't want to slow the game down while the pot is counted out.

Even saying 'pot, I believe it's about 11.75' is useless. The pot will still have to be counted out. Just declare the bet is 11.75 and leave pot out of it.

 

[surfik]

It's not a higher math. Plus most of the time rerise or 3 bet in PLO means virtual all in. Betting pot is common and acceptable. If your players are inexperienced or lazy, hire dealer with PLO EXPERIENCE. That will speed up the game. Or just explain how to count the POT. IT'S EASIER THAN IT APPEARS TO BE.