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Tourney Club Championship Refunds... (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter longflop
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If he didn’t know what he was paying for, it’s still his own fault.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Sounds like anarchy over there. What about drinks? We had two half full cans of pop left over last time, so I’m going to use two liter bottles from now on to avoid that kind of catastrophe again. That’s a tip you can use.
Gobbs, I'll give you details about it. A guy is told about a game (not defined as a league). He's invited to the May game and told about the big game in December that part of his fee is for. After he paid, and played, the host discovers it's his first time. He can't possibly attend 8 games before December. It wasn't communicated to him that there were attendance requirements to play in that December game, only that he had to pay an amount ($5) for that December game. How is that his fault?
Ekricket, since you completely missed the point of the pizza, let me quote, "I can give one analogous situation." It was about changing rules at the last minute that created the fiasco, not the pizza. It was multiple people doing different things and not everyone communicating the same thing. It was me agreeing they could order one more kind, people changing orders, but the order taker not changing the orders. Extra pizzas were ordered, not leaving enough to return any money as anticipated, and as had been communicated. I could give you a lot more details if you really like. I wrote them down so it wouldn't get repeated. I hope you can get over the pizza since you completely missed the point. We wound up with pizza anarchy, not drink anarchy.
Unfortunately, it happens. I just described above another scenario where the right message wasn't communicated. And that's the point. As long as communication is clear, and everyone communicating a message is communicating the same message, it's probably not a problem. But any time you have multiple people involved, it is not that hard to get different messages to different people.
Unfortunately, it happens. I just described above another scenario where the right message wasn't communicated. And that's the point. As long as communication is clear, and everyone communicating a message is communicating the same message, it's probably not a problem. But any time you have multiple people involved, it is not that hard to get different messages to different people.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Since we are on the topic, what do you guys do about desserts? We have a committee who decides desserts, and they wanted us to get a dozen chocolate chip cookies and two pans of brownies. The person brought two dozen cookies and one pan of brownies!
So some of us that requested brownies had to have cookies, and it was a big fight to decide who got brownies and who didn’t. People’s true colors come out when there’s brownies on the line. To top this whole travesty of confusion off we had some cookies left over that no one wanted!!!
How do you handle these disasters?
So some of us that requested brownies had to have cookies, and it was a big fight to decide who got brownies and who didn’t. People’s true colors come out when there’s brownies on the line. To top this whole travesty of confusion off we had some cookies left over that no one wanted!!!
How do you handle these disasters?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
That exact same thing happen to me in a PLO series in which I played. Fortunately, I asked questions about qualification standards for the tournament (and found out the rules) and the host was smart enough to have a rule that allowed you to buy your way in if you didn't pay for half of the tournaments. As it turned out, I ended up qualifying for the Championship Tournament on points (I had a nice lucky streak), but didn't play in enough tournaments. I had only played in 5 of 12 and needed to play in at least half. So, the host, per the rules, allowed me to pay the $5 more I needed to pay to make it look like I'd played in 6 tournaments and all was good.
While it seems that is not a rule in the series you discuss, I think adding it is a much better solution than allowing refunds. Everybody pays, no refunds, period. Next time, I bet the guy asks more questions, too.
Even without the rule and even if I hadn't been allowed to play in the championship, I wouldn't have cared, though. It's not worth getting upset over. It's just a few bucks.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Personally, I don't like limited-entry season ending championships.
It's like playing a tournament and then telling everyone that busted out that they have to leave when it gets down to the final 3.
It's like playing a tournament and then telling everyone that busted out that they have to leave when it gets down to the final 3.
Lots of ways to make it exactly NOT like that. Hold a last-chance event prior to give everybody else one final go at making it, host a simultaneous consolation tournament for those that didn't qualify, hold a simultaneous cash game while offering side action wagers and props on the main event that anybody can participate in, etc. Doesn't have to be an exclusion-type event unless that's what the players want and prefer.
Just curious.... when playing in a league that sends the top finishers to the WSOP, do you think ALL of the players should get to go? Of course not, and it's the same principle here.
These are contests, and contests have winners. To the winners go the spoils.
Gobbs, the exact same thing didn't happen to you. The player (call him Andy) in question was a semi-regular at their weekly games. He didn't know of the Saturday events until after the April event. A player (call him Bill) in the weekly game asked if Andy was coming Saturday, and said something about where the pot was for the year-end tournament. Andy said he could come, learns about buy-in, and that it includes a $5 rollover amount that goes to the December pot.
The huge difference is you knew to ask. You have done it before, perhaps even run your own league, I don't know. But your level if knowledge about this goes way beyond Andy's.
Saturday, the host was very busy -- about 40 players. Someone else handles check-in and person handling check in is only assigned to take money and get their names in the book. Andy pays, gets in, and plays, but doesn't cash. Andy has never done any type of a league before. He doesn't know what questions to ask! Host does everything on paper in a notebook. He later cross-checks attendance. Host figures out after Andy left that Andy should never have gotten in, but it's too late then.
There is no paying for missed months, though that could have perhaps solved the problem.
Forgetting the amount and how you feel, what is the RIGHT thing to do? I was among those at the end when host discovered it. When he said what should he do, I asked about having Andy pay for a missed month. Host didn't allow that. He likes know by the end of April who all might be there. Irrelevant whether I agree or not -- his house, his rules. I said Andy can't be expected to know what to ask and what the rules are. The rules were not communicated to him. The right thing, if he can't pay for prior tournaments, is to refund. That's what the host did instead of opening it up where others could pay back for missed tournaments or start late.
Not part of this scenario, but later in the year, a guy realizes he can only come 7 times, so he sends his $5 as though he played. He was allowed to play in the final event because he paid 8 times. I'm still shaking my head at the late rule change.
I love hard and fast rules as long as they are completely communicated to all players. It doesn't always happen.
The huge difference is you knew to ask. You have done it before, perhaps even run your own league, I don't know. But your level if knowledge about this goes way beyond Andy's.
Saturday, the host was very busy -- about 40 players. Someone else handles check-in and person handling check in is only assigned to take money and get their names in the book. Andy pays, gets in, and plays, but doesn't cash. Andy has never done any type of a league before. He doesn't know what questions to ask! Host does everything on paper in a notebook. He later cross-checks attendance. Host figures out after Andy left that Andy should never have gotten in, but it's too late then.
There is no paying for missed months, though that could have perhaps solved the problem.
Forgetting the amount and how you feel, what is the RIGHT thing to do? I was among those at the end when host discovered it. When he said what should he do, I asked about having Andy pay for a missed month. Host didn't allow that. He likes know by the end of April who all might be there. Irrelevant whether I agree or not -- his house, his rules. I said Andy can't be expected to know what to ask and what the rules are. The rules were not communicated to him. The right thing, if he can't pay for prior tournaments, is to refund. That's what the host did instead of opening it up where others could pay back for missed tournaments or start late.
Not part of this scenario, but later in the year, a guy realizes he can only come 7 times, so he sends his $5 as though he played. He was allowed to play in the final event because he paid 8 times. I'm still shaking my head at the late rule change.
I love hard and fast rules as long as they are completely communicated to all players. It doesn't always happen.
We do the same thing.
Out rules are in writing and given to all who participate. Never any changes as it can only lead to hard feelings.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
When playing in a league that sends the top finisher to the WSOP, the WSOP is the prize. You (probably) aren't paying a seperate per-game fee to go. However, of the player that goes, makes the final table, you bet that all players should get the offer to go.
This may be the difference. My events are social events that also happen to have a contest. Anyone that goes is a winner as long as they have fun. Winning the contest is just a bonus.
That is just my preference though. There is nothing wrong with purely competitive games, I just prefer "Chatty-Kathy" over "Hoodie and ear-buds", and somewhere in the middle is the sweet-spot.
ekricket
Royal Flush
This reminds me of people in casinos who buy into a hi/lo tournament, take a seat, and about two hands in ask “what game are we playing?”
My general advice for life is don’t get involved in shit without knowing what your getting involved in. Sure the host has an obligation to make the rules available, but he shouldn’t have to ask each player to sign a contract stating they have read and understand the rules.
If I’m driving and run twenty red lights in his honor I can’t tell the cop “wow, I never read the rule book, and nobody told me that’s against the rules so it’s not my fault”.
Real life does sometimes work like this, but I wouldn’t count on it.
Every WSOP league I've ever played in raked the weekly/monthly event prize pool to fund the WSOP trip(s) for the top finisher(s). And in any case, in a league where the top X players also qualify to play in a Championship Tournament (or Final, or Main Event, or whatever you want to call it), that too is "the prize" for their respective finishes during the league competitions. It's no different. Prizes awarded for performance over a period of time can come in many shapes.
No difference, it's the same here. Our events are highly social events, very similar to yours. They are held in people's homes, who host because they want to invite their friends into their homes. The goal is to have a good time with friends while playing competitive poker.
Having a good time with friends is my preference as well, although purely competitive games also have a legitimate place. Based on observation and feedback, I tend to think we have a very good balance between the "nothing-ever-gets-done-quickly-Chatty-Kathy" party games and the "too-serious-to-enjoy-hoody-earbud" cutthroat games. Neither extreme can be found in our group, but we all have a great time and still manage to play competitive poker. I'd call it that sweet spot you're referring to.
Actually, again, the exact same thing did happen to me. The difference isn't what happened to me or the circumstances. The circumstances are the same. The difference is how I handled the exact same set of circumstances differently than Andy. I found out what I was paying for because I asked. Andy did not. You can say the difference is that I was smarter than Andy. You can say the difference is that I had more experience than Andy. Still, it doesn't change that I took the time to find out what I was paying for and Andy did not.
Amen
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
...and we are back to where I started.
I suspect we would be fine playing in each other's leagues. The many bits are different, but close enough to the same that it doesn't matter. The 200+ mile drive on the other hand, is a little off-putting.
bsdunbar1
4 of a Kind
Now, that's cool. And exactly in line with what we're talking about in making it more fun vs too serious. (y) :thumbsup:
ekricket
Royal Flush
I played for a while with some guys for a $5 STT. The winner typically got $40, but he had to buy dinner the next time for everyone, which was typically $150ish. So it wasn’t about the winning, which was fun, it was also about having a good time with friends.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
My very first Texas Holdem game was much like this. I cannot remember the buy-in ($20 or less) but the winner had to buy everyone tickets to the NASCAR race the next day.
I finished 2nd. (y) :thumbsup:
There was never a 2nd event, as some wives were not fond of the fact that the poker game landed us at a racetrack 200 miles away.
Yeah, but I bet you had fun..... both days.
And congrats on finishing 2nd -- well-played. 
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