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[BGinGA]

the EXACT SAME STRUCTURE, with antes added, will run faster than one without antes.

But that's totally irrelevant...... because once you add antes, they are NOT the exact same structure any longer -- one is more aggressive and uses different values than the other. They will work and act completely different.

Antes don't speed up the tournament, it's the extra forced action that does it...... and you can accomplish that in more than one way. Using a structure with antes to do so is certainly one way, but it is not the best way, in terms of speeding up the tournament -- a similarly-designed non-ante format that equals the aggression factor will be faster.

 

[WedgeRock]

How can you speak so authoritatively about my structure and my experience?

As a matter of fact, my T100K schedule with antes is less aggressive than my no ante T100K schedule. That's because we insert an extra blind level when introducing the antes. That level doesn't exist in the no ante schedule. And yet, the less aggressive ante schedule is still quicker than the no ante schedule.

YMMV

 

[BGinGA]

Not going to get into a pissing contest with you, as you seem to be getting offended for some reason. But you are still comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, you can add antes to a structure and claim that it will run faster. You can make the same claim about cutting the blind times in half, or by doubling the blind amount increases every level. But it means nothing in terms of actually comparing the end effects of one structure with another. To do so, one must compare something that can actually be directly compared, and is present in all blind structures.

All blind structures have specific aggression factor -- measured in terms of time units -- which is dependent upon several components (blind increase percentages, blind level times, antes, etc.). The only way to meaningfully compare blind structures is to compare the aggro/hour rate of each one. Comparing anything else is pretty much meaningless, and can easily lead to false assumptions, conclusions, and beliefs. Why? Because when comparing times for structures that do not have equal aggro/hour rates, there is no way to determine which components are responsible for 'total time'.

Bottom line is this: when comparing any two structures that have the same aggro/hour rate (which are therefore at the purest essence, the same) -- no matter how the rate is derived, the structure with antes will be slower than the one without antes. Why? Because the physical properties surrounding the use of antes takes longer -- there are more chip handling operations by both the players and dealer (posting, betting, scooping, stacking) and there are more (small-denomination) chips in play.

All other things equal (including equal aggro/hour rates), an event using a structure with antes will run slower than an event using a comparable structure without antes. This is not opinion, it is fact.

 

[WedgeRock]

Still not sure how you can speak so authoritatively about my structure and my experience.

In my tournaments, the deal rotates and there is usually one or two people thay act as ante marshalls. This is done during the deal. No extra time needed.

Thats using your definition. My point was that in my game, with my structure, introducing antes make the tournament go quicker.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you can't speak universally about all games. Its just your opinion.

 

[BGinGA]

My point was that in my game, with my structure, introducing antes make the tournament go quicker.

My point is that a comparable aggro/hour rate non-ante structure to yours, in your game, would be faster. If maintaining the same level of aggression and a quicker tournament is what you want, adding antes to an existing structure is not the best solution.