Cash Game Chips needed for .25/.50 cash game. (1 Viewer)

[Craig D]

I may be alone but I think a $20 cash game needs a 5c or 10c chip

My $20 buy in set

 

[abby99]

lol

Gratuitous post for avatar pervs.

I was going to write that your post could be confusing after you've changed your avatar, but then I remembered your past avatars and realized that it would be the same song, different verse.

I'm also home sick and a little crotchety as well. Feel better soon, @courage, and everybody else who is under the weather today.

 

[detroitdad]

I may be alone but I think a $20 cash game needs a 5c or 10c chip

My $20 buy in set

I agree. 20 bucks is way to short for a .25/.50 game. Even if the betting/raising sizes are small.

 

[MaxB]

I hate making change at the table, so the cash game Saturday night had 16 quarters with each $20 buyin ....... had it been more regular poker players I would have skipped the quarters and gone 50c/$1 with more of a buyin

I think for 10 people, 160 quarters is plenty. Even 120 would be fine. Then with 120, use the extra 80 chips to get some 1s and 5s

 

[AdamAAAA]

Ok, so I have a cold/flu and am grumpy.

I've played plenty of micro stakes live in my day and tbh, the amount of quarters won't matter. If the game stays as described, I actually like @Shaggy's suggestion of 150/150. But the game will likely change and grow, as it should. I'm just saying be mindful of the issue if it becomes a problem dial back the number in play.

@AdamAAAA, apologies for derailing your thread. Hope your game goes great and your players have a blast. That's what it's all about.

Hey man, I appreciate the comments and what you're saying all makes perfect sense. I appreciate all different perspectives, and being new to hosting rather than just turning up and playing I need all the help I can get. Thanks for taking the time to post.

I may be alone but I think a $20 cash game needs a 5c or 10c chip

My $20 buy in set

I agree. 20 bucks is way to short for a .25/.50 game. Even if the betting/raising sizes are small.

This actually may make more sense. To move to a .5/.10 game and just play with $5 and $10 chips and add those to the denoms picked for the tournament set. I may look into that.

 

[guinness]

It has nothing to do with "social game" or "big spending" or "new players." It's just a smoother running game. But y'all probably have more experience at this, I'll let it go. (n) :thumbsdown:

Guy has 43 1's and 20 quarters. "I bet $3". Rather than take the 3 $1's off the top of a stack, he goes for quarters.

Everyone looks at Courage and he be all like:

Guy in MP says "I call". He has 25 1's and 25 quarters. Goes for quarters.

Courage has yet to act, he wants to fold. 3rd player says call but has no quarters. He slides a $5 chip to courage and asks for 20 quarters so he can make the call.

 

[luckbox]

if you go the nickel/dime buy a cash set of the CPS chips and see how it goes with your group then you can always move up or just use $5 and $25 chips but dont go for $10 chips

 

[Trihonda]

I thought Abby's advice earlier was spot on

 

[RainmanTrail]

My preferences lie with the "more quarters" crowd. I won't even consider a set that I can't get at least two racks of quarters for. It's also the reason I decided not to buy those black Jessie Beck's TRKs from @gopherblue. Fracs are great first off. And why would anyone ever want to play in a cash game with 19 chips in front of them? Seriously? Come on guys. CHIPS are your friend. Don't be shy! I get it if there are budgetary constraints, but if that's the case... 1000 China Clay Pharaohs > 300 Paulsons IMO (bash away, I'm wearing my helmet today).

I would want a minimum of a full barrel of fracs for each player at the table. Plus whatever 1s and 5s necessary for your buy-ins/stakes.

I would also add a +1 to the comment earlier about 25c/50c blinds being far too large for $20 buy-in games.

Another point worth keeping in mind about fracs is that if you guys ever play mixed games, you'll likely want more fracs on the table for antes. I'm a HORSE player, and LOVE stud games, so for me, 2 racks of fracs is the bare minimum.

My ideal cash set breakdown is as follows:
200 - fracs
800 - 1s
800 - 5s
160 - 25s
40 - 100s

for 2000 total chips.

But if I were breaking it down for smaller games, it'd be something like this:
200 - fracs
200 - 1s
200 - 5s

Any "set" smaller than a 600ct birdcage, to me, is merely a starter kit

 

[RainmanTrail]

I mentioned it above, but I really think this is worth emphasizing... If you EVER play mixed games, or "dealer's choice", or any game with antes, then 1 rack of fracs is just not enough. Making change every hand gets old. I get that you don't want people rattling off $5 bets with a barrel of quarters, but that doesn't really happen much if there's an average of 20 fracs per player at the table. It's the perfect amount to me.

 

[Marius L]

I also agree that 25c/50c sounds too high for a 20$ buyin game. I would just go with 25c/25c blinds instead, really no need for a 5c or 10c chip. I would go 150 quarters, 150 ones and the rest 5s, just add how many you need to have enough bank.

 

[detroitdad]

I would just go with 25c/25c blinds instead

I occasionally play with a buddy and his friends. They play .25/.25 with a 25 dollar buy in. Works for them.

 

[dickzapper]

I always play dealer's choice cash games on usually 7 or 8 and one rack of quarters gets by fine. My players love high denom chips and the high denoms entice more money out of them.

We play .25/5.00 spread limit. I just had to look up that term. Gambling sure involves a lot of lingo.

 

[BGinGA]

lol @ #quarterwars itt

150 x 25c and 150 x $1 sounds right for your specific game/stakes to me, but wtf do I know... I'm a tournament guy. Of course, my ocd would not allow 150 of anything -- full racks for me, please. ymmv

Cash set
Very tight games, not a lot of money on the table, usually people would be willing to spend around £20 each (never more than £200 on the table in a night). This setup allows for £425 on the table so plenty of scope to increase the .25/.50 games we're currently playing.

$0.25 * 200
$1 * 125
$5 * 50

Tournament Set
Rebuys are limited, usually £10 buy in, most players will rebuy a maximum of 1 additional time. Meaning I need a set to cater for 16 buyins. My 8 seated tournament would have $40k in chips on the table to start ($5k per £10 buyin). Leaving the $500 and $1k chips for the rebuys and they can make change with the table. There's also scope here to make the tournament match the buy it, e.g., £10 buyin for $10k chips.

$25 * 100
$100 * 125
$500 * 75
$1,000 * 50
$5,000 * 25

The set I've found on eBay is here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/750-Piece...901619?hash=item3f3d26eff3:g:YngAAOSwq7JUGIF~

There's nothing to suggest that this isn't legitimate. If anyone has any better options for purchasing these, please do let me know, or if you've spotted a flaw in my plan of chips to by then let me know.

Based on your chip set and tournament parameters (8 players x T5000 stacks, sufficient chips for color-ups and 8 re-buys, purchases in 25-chip increments), I'd go with this breakdown:

starting stacks (8):
12 x T25
12 x T100
7 x T500
------------
31 chips = T5000

re-buy stacks (8)
2 x T500
4 x T1000
------------
6 chips = T5000

chip set, rounded to increments of 25 (actual requirements in parenthesis):
100 x T25 (96)
100 x T100 (96)
75 x T500 (72)
50 x T1000 (44, includes 12x for color-ups of T25 and T100 chips)
------------
325 total chips

Combine those with your 300 cash set chips (150+150), and you're at 625 chips total.

Personally, I'd add 25x $5 cash chips and 50x more T1000 tournament chips and build out your set at 700 total chips. This covers both expansion of the cash game size (within reason) and allows you to bump the tourney stack sizes to T10000 if later desired. If you insist on having 750 chips total, add another 50x $1 cash chips (or 25x 25c and 25x $1). You really don't need T5000 chips for an 8-player tourney (T5k or T10k).

Regarding purchasing, have you looked at @Apache Poker Chips .com? They are a PCF sponsor vendor, and their Milano price is only 32c/chip (vs 36c in your link).... but I dunno how much Josh would charge for shipping (vs the free shipping in your link).

 

[AdamAAAA]

Thanks @BGinGA -- the reason I've stated 750 as this is the amount listed for sale on eBay in denominations of my choosing (in sets of 25).

I've not looked at @Apache poker chips. I'll send a DM to see what price can be done there to see if we can strike a deal.

 

[AdamAAAA]

Of course, my ocd would not allow 150 of anything -- full racks for me, please. ymmv

What is the meaning of this? Should they be in 20s or 100s or something that isn't 150? Hilfe bitte.

 

[Whiteside]

Keep in mind that in my experience a 'full rack' of Milano chips is often 95 chips - since several denominations only fit 19 chips to a stack!

 

[AdamAAAA]

Keep in mind that in my experience a 'full rack' of Milano chips is often 95 chips - since several denominations only fit 19 chips to a stack!

Ooooooooooh this is what @BGinGA means. To keep it to multiples of 100?

1 stack is 20
1 rack is 100

So really, for OCD purposes and to please I should keep to stacks of 20 and racks of 100?

 

[Marius L]

Ooooooooooh this is what @BGinGA means. To keep it to multiples of 100?

1 stack is 20
1 rack is 100

So really, for OCD purposes and to please I should keep to stacks of 20 and racks of 100?

This is based on personal preference only. No big deal. Some people on here have a higher level of OCD than others
I think 150/150 would work just fine. One full rack of each, and a split one of 50 1$ and 50 quarters. The most important thing is how the chip breakdown works in your game, rather than the OCD related to storage.

PS: a stack is also commonly refered to as barrel (20 chips)

 

[Whiteside]

Ooooooooooh this is what @BGinGA means. To keep it to multiples of 100?

1 stack is 20
1 rack is 100

So really, for OCD purposes and to please I should keep to stacks of 20 and racks of 100?

I think the OCD kicks in for some people when storing chips in boxes/plastic trays where many will only keep chips in multiples of 20 (barrel, stack) or 100 (rack). It normally means more chips are needed!

Marius is right though, it's absolutely not essential to have chips in multiples of 20 or 100 for any other reason.

 

[AllinBallin]

Always always use different denoms for tourney and cash. You CAN get away with using the same set, but you need to make sure your denominations will NEVER cross over into the other game. For instance, if you're running a cash game, and tournament (even on different nights). And if you start your tourneys with 25/50 blinds, you never use $25 chips in the cash game.

And if you're going to look for a tourney breakdown, there's some great folks here who'd offer up solid advice. A general tourney breakdown follows:
1- Each denom should be 4 to 5x the amount of the previous denom. (ie. 25, 100, 500, etc..). Gets interesting at 500-1k, where it's the norm to have a chip just 2x the chip before it, but this is the ONLY exception I've seen regularly. So no 50 chips, etc...
2- Start stacks for at least 80-100 big blinds. if you're starting 25/50, then your starting stacks should be around 5000 ish.
3- Allow for enough chips to do any color ups, rebuys, etc... 500 chips should be more than plenty for a decent set.

Damnit, I was totally going to use my tourney set as a cash set..ugh!

 

[Trihonda]

Damnit, I was totally going to use my tourney set as a cash set..ugh!

Security risks are too great, even among friends. Makes I very one feel,safer if the possibility of cheating doesn't exist in this regard

 

[goldmac]

Excellent, thanks.

I've just seen that I can get a 500pc Milano set for $180 and only $20 shipping. I'll probably have to pay taxes on top but that's not too bad considering...

29p a chip? If you don't mind me asking, where did you find that?

 

[detroitdad]

29p a chip? If you don't mind me asking, where did you find that?

https://www.apachepokerchips.com/product/milano-poker-chips/

 

[goldmac]

https://www.apachepokerchips.com/product/milano-poker-chips/

Thanks man!

 

[dkersey]

I haven't read the entire thread, but my cash set supports a full table with multiple buy-ins not only for .25/.50 to .50/1.00 to 1/2. It is:

150 = $0.25
150 = $1
100 = $5
75 = $25
25 = $100

The only thing I would differently is: The $100 are probably not necessary, and could be $25 instead. But it would ensure flexibility if the stacks get deep later in the night.

 

[Chicken Rob]

I haven't read the entire thread, but my cash set supports a full table with multiple buy-ins not only for .25/.50 to .50/1.00 to 1/2. It is:

150 = $0.25
150 = $1
100 = $5
75 = $25
25 = $100

The only thing I would differently is: The $100 are probably not necessary, and could be $25 instead. But it would ensure flexibility if the stacks get deep later in the night.

Where I come from this barely supports a single table of .25/.50, never mind those higher stakes.

 

[churlbut18]

I haven't read the entire thread, but my cash set supports a full table with multiple buy-ins not only for .25/.50 to .50/1.00 to 1/2. It is:

150 = $0.25
150 = $1
100 = $5
75 = $25
25 = $100

The only thing I would differently is: The $100 are probably not necessary, and could be $25 instead. But it would ensure flexibility if the stacks get deep later in the night.

If interested there is a lot of good information in this thread if/when you have the time to read through it.

 

[dkersey]

Where I come from this barely supports a single table of .25/.50, never mind those higher stakes.

I will admit the set is probably not enough for a long/deep $1/$2 game, but I have to call bulsh on this. Lets do some math...

A typical $1/$2 buyin is 200, so that's 100BBs. So for an equivalent .25/.50 game, that would be a $50 buyin. The set I speak of total just over $5K. That is over 100 buys (buyin and rebuys)....on 1 table? How many people are you fitting around that table? ...25?

So lets say its a deep stack game at $100 max buyins. That is still over 50 buys for a 10 seat game. Assuming half the players are winners, the other half fire a 2nd bullet or go home and are replaced with new players, That is still a 8X (40 remaining buys / 5 player slots) turnover of players.

And finally, if it is a super deep stack game with $200 buyin, why are you play quarter blinds?!?!?!??!

 

[Chicken Rob]

I will admit the set is probably not enough for a long/deep $1/$2 game, but I have to call bulsh on this. Lets do some math...

A typical $1/$2 buyin is 200, so that's 100BBs. So for an equivalent .25/.50 game, that would be a $50 buyin. The set I speak of total just over $5K. That is over 100 buys (buyin and rebuys)....on 1 table? How many people are you fitting around that table? ...25?

So lets say its a deep stack game at $100 max buyins. That is still over 50 buys for a 10 seat game. Assuming half the players are winners, the other half fire a 2nd bullet or go home and are replaced with new players, That is still a 8X (40 remaining buys / 5 player slots) turnover of players.

And finally, if it is a super deep stack game with $200 buyin, why are you play quarter blinds?!?!?!??!

My semi-regular game is .25/.50, $125 max, or half the biggest stack. Rebuys get deep. I have personally had losing nights in the $1500 ballpark, and that is not close to the biggest losing night I have seen in this game.

We have seen over $5k on a single table. We raised the blinds at one point, but it actually slowed down the action. Our group plays super deep, and can build big pots. No bullshit here. Many regs in this game are PCF members. I think our game is not typical of the stakes, but it's our game, and those who play in it often say it's the most fun game they play in.