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ChipGuide Member Value Enhancement Announcement (2 Viewers)

billnict said:
I assume when you say "this website" I assume you are referring to PCF? You are absolutely right, PCF is also an excellent resource with a lot of great people and that's why I chosen to be a supporter of it but why can't we support like the club.
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You are correct, I was referring to PCF. The following was a much longer post but I have pared it back to the basics.

In my opinion, I think the club does not get much support from persons around these parts because:

1. Website is very outdated, confusing, difficult, and unappealing to anyone accustomed to modern web pages (e.g. the younger generation of chippers);

2. Some persons in power have traditionally scorned, insulted, and/or needlessly antagonized the members of PCF instead of seeing them as an incredible resource for information, club participation, and growth that should be cultivated; and

3. Attempts to interact between the two populations have historically been hindered by #1 and #2 above.
 
divinerites said:
I will rebuild the chip guide web site for free + 24/7 maintenance when (WHEN) they will stop telling me that they own the rights of my own pictures submitted on their web site.

This a dibs and serious offer.
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Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
 
billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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Cratty said:
Seems like at this point it might just be worth creating a new chip guide... Hell, @BarrieJ3 might have enough samples to get us half the way to the current one. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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I mean we can just recreate 90%+ of its content and functionality in hours.

Hell, if we didn’t want to deal with setting up the automation to strip its database, we could always pay someone off fiverrr $250 to get the whole thing done and provide the file/mapping, then we could have fun building it.

I’d be happy to do it myself and just donate the whole thing to public or PCF members or whatever. Would need to wait until I had a free weekend or something after the move, but it’s never bad to poke around and add a new skill over a weekend.
 
billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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Once a clown, always a clown.
A free pro tip : avoid to give any legal advice to friends. Or do it but to your ennemies.
 
billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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I don't know why and maybe I am off base and am the only person that finds this specific angle of the post hilarious.

But there is something about an organization filled primarily with 80 year old men arguing that a dinosaur website is basically a reverse NFT that is so God damn funny to me
 
cpac54 said:
Might be a bit of an ask for a website that offers all of the modernity of the internet circa 1998….
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Hi. We updated the club website last year and yes, that old site was VERY dated. As were the message boards. Check 'em out. https://ccgtcc.com. Got any suggestions to improve them further?
 
billnict said:
By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide.
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Charles... is that you?
This statement is patently false.

Just to be clear... the image the file displays is still owned by the submitter.
Submitting an image to the chipguide does not transfer ownership of anything.
A submitter allows the chipguide to use the image, that is all.
billnict said:
They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.
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Cropping an image is not a derivative work.

Here is a quote that should interest you:

"Upon submission, permission is granted to the Museum of Gaming History to use the item on the ChipGuide and for other purposes"

How hard is it to understand that no ownership is transferred.
Stop regurgitating false info.
 
billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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^ this is an idiotic take.

ChatGPT

You said:​

Does cropping a picture mean that I own the rights to the picture now?

ChatGPT said:​

No, cropping a picture does not give you ownership or copyright over it.

Here's a breakdown:

📸 Original Copyright​

  • The original creator (usually the photographer or artist) automatically holds the copyright when they create the image.
  • This includes unaltered and altered versions of the image (like cropping, resizing, color changes, etc.).

✂️ What Cropping Means Legally​

  • Cropping is considered a modification, but it doesn’t make the image your own.
  • Even heavily edited versions of copyrighted works are typically still considered derivative works, and creating or using them still requires permission from the copyright holder, unless:
    • The image is in the public domain
    • It’s licensed for modification (like under Creative Commons)
    • The use qualifies as fair use (a legal but complex and limited exception)

✅ When You​

You can crop and use an image without violating copyright only if:

  • You took the photo yourself
  • The image is in the public domain
  • You have explicit permission or license (e.g. royalty-free stock with modification rights)
  • It's released under a Creative Commons licensethat allows modifications (e.g. CC BY or CC BY-SA)
 
softchewy said:
Charles... is that you?
This statement is patently false.

Just to be clear... the image the file displays is still owned by the submitter.
Submitting an image to the chipguide does not transfer ownership of anything.
A submitter allows the chipguide to use the image, that is all.

Cropping an image is not a derivative work.

Here is a quote that should interest you:

"Upon submission, permission is granted to the Museum of Gaming History to use the item on the ChipGuide and for other purposes"

How hard is it to understand that no ownership is transferred.
Stop regurgitating false info.
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You are completely wrong.

Also, your comment now belongs to me, thanks. Cropped and turned.

Checkmate.

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From the internet. Has anyone ever filed with the copyright office?

Unlike trademarks, copyrights are generally more difficult to lose. They are automatically granted without any formal requirements or ongoing usage. However, you still need to file them with the United States Copyright Office.

Copyrights are proofs of ownership and denote dates of creation. A copyright does not grant you ownership like a trademark.

The way copyrights work leaves a few loopholes that can cause you to lose your copyright long before it expires. To avoid any issues, contact ETB Law for help avoiding complications such as:

  1. Expiration: Copyrights have a limited term and will eventually expire. For works created after January 1, 1978, the term is the life of the author plus 70 years, or 90 years after creation for a corporate entity.
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  4. Public Domain: Placing your work in the public domain before the copyright expires means relinquishing all copyright protections. This cannot be reversed and means anyone can use the work without restrictions. You do have to submit a notice to the U.S. Copyright Office if you wish to do this.
  5. Forfeiture for Non-Compliance: Certain regulatory non-compliance issues (rare cases) may result in the loss of some copyright protections. For example, if you were to consistently and incorrectly file a copyright, or attempt to copyright something with copyrighted material, you can lose some protections.
  6. Invalidation: If it’s determined that your copyrighted work doesn’t meet the requirements after being granted copyright protection, its copyright status can be revoked.
Understanding these scenarios can help ensure you maintain control over your copyrighted works
 
CCA_SM_Director said:
Effective August 1, 2025, ChipGuide users will need to be logged on to access the advanced features.

ChipGuide accounts are available to all current CCA members at no charge, including regular, associate and lifetime members.
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Looks like they are bust removing access for the general public.

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billnict said:
Consider the uploaded item as a file rather than a picture. By uploading, you transfer rights to the file to ChipGuide. They enhance or modify it in various ways. The original file remains yours on your device or storage, you still own it. The file on ChipGuide is different from what you own.

Oh, the ChipGuide is fine just the way it is but thank you for the offer. :)
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Don't take it personal...but a club with that attitude makes me wanna stay far as possible from them
 
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Actually, the server is getting hammered by a denial of service attack from multiple countries right now, and the hosting package that the MOGH has does not allow server level firewall administration.

The board is in the process of approving a move of the site to a server that we can manage at the server level. So, it should be back online pretty soon, with a changeover planned in the next several days.

Thanks for your (anticipated) patience.
 
billnict said:
So the club is only blocking access to advanced features, non-members can still go to the website and look up chips. So my question would be, why should a non-member have access to something that come as a perk for being a CCA or MOGH club member? It's like 30 bucks a year!
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As a non-member, how do I search for a casino and it's chips if it behind the paywall? It's something I do out of curiosity. If it's behind a paywall now, why would I use the site? There is no value beyond scratching an itch of curiosity for me.
 

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