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Not trying to sound tough, but that dude would catch a beating if he tried to do that shit at my game. Flat out disrespectful.
 
WedgeRock said:
That was my thought. He surrendered the chips to the cage. They *know* he stole the chips. They are culpable once they cash them out. They should have held the chips at the cage and given them to the winner of the hand.
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Casinos are interested in protecting their interests, not yours.

I believe if casinos had any legal liability to honor a wager/debt between two other parties that we wouldn't have seen stories like this multiple times over the years.

My guess is that the casino is acting as host in providing the venue and equipment to run a game which players pay a rake in exchange for. The wagers between players do not directly involve them, and that is a legal matter between the two involved players as they are making bets/debts with one another.

I'm sure there are attorneys in this forum who can explain it better than me. But my guess is you won't get any satisfaction out of the casino in situations like this.
 
WedgeRock said:
It is the dealer's responsibility to keep the game square. The dealer failed by not requiring the bet to be out forward into the pot.
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I see players go all-in plenty of times without moving all of their chips into the pot, usually with just an All-In button placed in front of them.

What rule are you applying that the dealer is required to force all bets into the pot before finishing the hand?
 
So can you not pay up at a blackjack table or other? If I just take my 2k bet off the table after I lose can I walk?? Would the casino think differently about that? Or is my only punishment being escorted out and banned from the casino?!?
 
stevea said:
So can you not pay up at a blackjack table or other? If I just take my 2k bet off the table after I lose can I walk?? Would the casino think differently about that? Or is my only punishment being escorted out and banned from the casino?!?
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stealing from the casino is handled differently.
 
stevea said:
So can you not pay up at a blackjack table or other if I just take my 2k bet off the table after I lose and walk?? Would the casino think differently about that? Or is my only punishment being escorted out and banned from the casino?!?
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I believe that's different because in that instance the casino is an interested party in the wager with you. In the poker situation, the casino is not involved in the wagering aspect of it, they have no horse in the race as far as you or the other player winning or losing, and the action is between two parties separate from the casino itself, with the casino acting as a provider of equipment/service.

Look, I get the uproar, it sucks and in a perfect world things would be different. But the night is dark and full of terrors, and scumbags gonna scumbag and businesses are always going to take the easiest way out for themselves. If the casinos had a legal obligation to acquire those chips from the player who ran off I'm sure it wouldn't have been something I've seen posted about multiple times over the years.

Casino security is there to protect the casino, not you.
 
Yup, very sad when I read all the comments. I can also relate those situations with the histories that have been relayed by poker news regarding the 'missing chips' at the WSOP and EPT and the players were told 'just go on, keep playing, we cannot do anything about it'"
 
So I can steal from other people at a casino but not the house? If I steal from a guest they can’t take the chips from me because they are my property now, but they can take the chips from me if I took chips from the casino?!? I’d follow the guy to the parking lot if that were really the case.
 
Hell, people cheated at the 3/6 limit Omaha hi/lo game at the Tampa Hard Rock and people cheat even at free games where all there is to "win" is notoriety on a leaderboard.

At the 3/6 limit game the dealer noticed one of the Aces was marked and called the floor over. So EVERYONE at the table is paying attention to the dealer and floor, except this one motherfucker all the way at the other end of the table. As soon as the floor arrives he immediately turns his chair away from the dealer and floor, and towards the other part of the casino.

Dude was so fucking guilty, and so sad to be trying to cheat at a 3/6 limit game, but that's the way of the degens.
 
I believe the dealer failed by not keeping the game square, allowing a situation where the player was exposed.

While the casino may not have had to enforce a debt between players, it could refuse to cash out chips that it knew were stolen, and it could refuse to allow him to leave with casino property (the chips).

The casino should have made the winner whole for the amount lost as a result of it's incompetence and/or that of it's staff.
 
WedgeRock said:
I believe the dealer failed by not keeping the game square, allowing a situation where the player was exposed.

While the casino may not have had to enforce a debt between players, it could refuse to cash out chips that it knew were stolen, and it could refuse to allow him to leave with casino property (the chips).

The casino should have made the winner whole for the amount lost as a result of it's incompetence and/or that of it's staff.
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I'm sure if it were that simple and the casinos had liability they would do that. Since they do not do that, I can only assume that they don't have any liability, and perhaps if they did try and do that, it would open them up to being liable to the scumbag who could then go after them for taking "his" property.
 
stevea said:
So I can steal from other people at a casino but not the house? If I steal from a guest they can’t take the chips from me because they are my property now, but they can take the chips from me if I took chips from the casino?!? I’d follow the guy to the parking lot if that were really the case.
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Yes, they’re not law enforcement they’re security for the casino not the patrons unless it becomes a liability to them. You’re welcome to follow the guy to the parking lot but then you open up yourself to assault charges if you have to scuffle with the guy to get your money back just as the thief is accountable to the law (and not the casino) for stealing the winnings. The casino likely handles it differently if a blatant crime has been committed (ie you punch someone and grab the chips in front of them). Since they can immediately identify there’s been a crime, they very well may hold you until police get there (almost always some on-site or nearby). In the case described in the OP they probably took the conservative assessment that it’s not 100% clear cut immediately (they have to talk to people at the table, review footage, and confirm between the two groups that the guy stole the winnings from someone else) they decided to let it play out outside the casino in the courts and have 0 liability in the matter. Dumb but it’s our legal system and laws and the casinos aren’t going to open themselves up to getting brought to court so they can help out a patron over $1,200 dollars (prob what they make in a minute).
 
davin said:
PokerNews just featured this on there IG and the comments is a must read
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"so hes from Cuba and that's where I'm from so he came off as a cool guy me and my buddy were having a couple drinks and chatting with the dude we went up to the room and he asked my buddy for 200$ forgot what reason and my BUDDY wasnt thinking and handed it to him he said he was gonna go down for some drinks and never returned "
 
Anthony Martino said:
Uh, he got shot because he fired on an officer and hit him in the chest, not because he stole.
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You didn't read what I typed. I asked why he got shot in the head instead of center mass. Any military or police can confirm my point
 
Beakertwang said:
From the article: “In a stroke of good fortune, there was a heavy police presence in the area because a 12-year-old girl had been reported missing nearby.”

Maybe a second set of eyes would have been useful.
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I don't believe the 12 year old girl bs. Casino's have the Vegas police at their place instantly. Can you imagine if it was easy as walking in a casino and running out and getting away with it? People would try it all the time. The police know they need to set an example of the idiots who try end up with holes in their head bigger than their brain. Just my opinion obviously. But hey maybe all missing 12 year olds hang out at Bellagios valet area.
 
toynoob said:
You didn't read what I typed. I asked why he got shot in the head instead of center mass. Any military or police can confirm my point
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I most certainly did read what you wrote, which included:

Exactly you steal from them you end up with a bullet in your head
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He didn't get shot in the head for stealing, he got shot in the head because he opened fire on officers (and struck one of them in the chest to boot).

And yes, I'm familiar with center mass shooting. The article mentions the shot in the head was the fatal blow. In my experience officers typically keep firing until the threat is no longer a threat, so it's possible that he was hit in other locations but the headshot was the fatal one and that's all the article mentions?
 

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