In Progress (ordering closed) Barrington Table Toppers - Group Buy (4 Viewers)

[calfdemon]

Both of my Harrahs were too long by almost an inch and slightly too wide. I can make the width work, but had to cut almost an inch off of an end of each topper. It worked, no biggie, but these were longer than any other Barrington sized topper I have bought before and I have about 12 of them.

 

[Hot Nuts]

Anybody got tips on trimming without ending up with jagged edges? I suck at cutting.

 

[iLogik]

I used electric scissors with a guide

 

[Regularjohn]

Got mine today, same issue as most, too big. Didn't do measurements yet but the width seems fine, but too long. I guess better to be longer than shorter? I know it's not a huge deal, but cutting can be a pain and it's gonna take away the space to the betting line.

Don't want to sound like I'm not appreciative. Running these group guys is a lot of work, just a bummer the supplier messed up. Thanks again @iLogik

Edit: forgot to mention by Barrington table is one of the beefier ones with the LEDs.

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

So when is the next group buy?

 

[JiggidyJacks]

Very happy with mine. Before and after a little trim

 

[pltrgyst]

Mine made it here today -- thanks again!

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Both of my Harrahs were too long by almost an inch and slightly too wide. I can make the width work, but had to cut almost an inch off of an end of each topper. It worked, no biggie, but these were longer than any other Barrington sized topper I have bought before and I have about 12 of them.

Anybody got tips on trimming without ending up with jagged edges? I suck at cutting.

Me too. Honestly, this Kinda sucks. Seems to me if manufacturer claimed to have a 1/2 inch margin for error, and missed it, they should remake them.

Additional point, cutting as much as 1 1/2 inches off the ends is going to result in a betting line that is closer to the rail on the ends than in the middle. This is gonna bug the hell outta OCD folks like myself. Not to mention if I'm not able to get a nice, smooth cut...

 

[Cratty]

Two things:
1. Betting line is likely a static dimension and any extra is likely "bleed" space. So would not be concerned with betting line being "smaller", but we can likely measure vs provided files if this needs to be verified. I would just be very surprised.
2. Curious on folks' actual table dimensions. While Barrington lists 74”x32”, mine is 73.75"x31.5" and I am forced to trim regardless even if they perfectly hit Barrington's "quoted" dimension.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Two things:
1. Betting line is likely a static dimension and any extra is likely "bleed" space. So would not be concerned with betting line being "smaller", but we can likely measure vs provided files if this needs to be verified. I would just be very surprised.
2. Curious on folks' actual table dimensions. While Barrington lists 74”x32”, mine is 73.75"x31.5" and I am forced to trim regardless even if they perfectly hit Barrington's "quoted" dimension.

Regarding #2 - But you knew that ahead of time. So it's not relevant to the fact that some of these missed the expected dimension by more than an inch.

 

[Cratty]

Regarding #2 - But you knew that ahead of time. So it's not relevant to the fact that some of these missed the expected dimension by more than an inch.

My point is if your tables are below the dimensions (or potentially dimensions plus 0.25”) you will also need to trim regardless. But yes, a disclaimer is valid for group buys moving forward.

 

[iLogik]

Yeah, i apologize that the QC was not on point this time. Last group buy and even the singles that have been ordered since have to my knowledge been within the expected tolerances. I’ve brought the issue up to the manufacturer so going forward they will make sure this doesn’t happen again. Not sure i would wanna run this back now tho.

 

[Timmah]

I also needed to trim it. Not the end of the world. Still looks nice on the table. I’m happy with the toppers for the price point.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Yeah, i apologize that the QC was not on point this time. Last group buy and even the singles that have been ordered since have to my knowledge been within the expected tolerances. I’ve brought the issue up to the manufacturer so going forward they will make sure this doesn’t happen again. Not sure i would wanna run this back now tho.

The first one I bought from you last year was dead perfect for my Barrington with LED lights. So that was kinda my expectation going into this GB. Why would you not want to hold the manufacturer to what you expected them to provide?

Regarding the first point above that @Cratty made, I just got mine out to measure, and he is probably correct about the betting line. On the sides the betting line is 7.25 to 7.5 inches from the edges. One end is 8 inches and the other 8.25 inches. I haven't compared to my table, because it's put up and a PITA to get down, set up, and then put back up again. But I expect I'm going to need to trim .5 in from one end and .75 in from the other.

 

[Cratty]

The first one I bought from you last year was dead perfect for my Barrington with LED lights. So that was kinda my expectation going into this GB. Why would you not want to hold the manufacturer to what you expected them to provide?

Regarding the first point above that @Cratty made, I just got mine out to measure, and he is probably correct about the betting line. On the sides the betting line is 7.25 to 7.5 inches from the edges. One end is 8 inches and the other 8.25 inches. I haven't compared to my table, because it's put up and a PITA to get down, set up, and then put back up again. But I expect I'm going to need to trim .5 in from one end and .75 in from the other.

Counter point, if we hold manufacturers for refunds they will likely get closer to dimension but may air on side of caution for future buys and start producing within tolerance but undersized.

Overall though, for a $50 topper that most can correct rather easily, and most will need to correct anyway… I’m personally sucking it up to not burn out another user graciously running these buys (refund logistics are likely a back/forth mess). Not defending other buys that went off the rails, but this feels like small potatoes.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Counter point, if we hold manufacturers for refunds they will likely get closer to dimension but may air on side of caution for future buys and start producing within tolerance but undersized.

Overall though, for a $50 topper that most can correct rather easily, and most will need to correct anyway… I’m personally sucking it up to not burn out another user graciously running these buys (refund logistics are likely a back/forth mess). Not defending other buys that went off the rails, but this feels like small potatoes.

To be clear, I'm not at all upset with @iLogik and I'm not asking for him to give me a refund. I guess I'll take a shot at trimming, but I'm not really happy about it. If I were the one running the GB, I'd ask the manufacturer to make it right. It's pretty straightforward.

1. You promised a product within specific tolerances.
2. We gave you a big order with the expectation that the product would meet those tolerances.
3. Some of the product did not meet those tolerances.
4. What are you going to do about it?

Easy, peasy.

And yes, undersized by too much is even worse than oversize. There should be a minimum and a maximum. With a 1/2 inch total tolerance. Not 1/2 inch in either direction. I mean, these guys are making them with machines aren't they? It's not like they're cutting them by hand, right? Or wrong?

 

[Colquhoun]

I actually expected to have to trim mine. Since Barringtons vary in size slightly, even within the same style, I think it's best to get them a bit larger so I can cut it to fit perfectly to my table. In this respect, having the topper a bit larger is great.
If the previous buy had toppers that fit your table perfectly, that's the best...but I'll bet there were some folks that it wasn't perfect due to the variance in table size.

 

[streetthrowback]

i mean for the price im pretty happy

 

[grahamplayscards]

I also needed to trim it. Not the end of the world. Still looks nice on the table. I’m happy with the toppers for the price point.

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My WSOP was at least a half inch longer than my Wynn, I wonder if certain prints had more issues than others

 

[SkyBlue]

I got mine today. I opened 2 out of 3 of mine. It’s a Barrington table I bought on Amazon several years ago. (Not LED lights) Mine are big but I’m still satisfied with the order. I would rather it be a little too big then too small. I haven’t trim toppers before so this will be the first so hopefully everything goes well. For the price, these are worth it to me. Group buys can be stressful, exhausting, and time consuming for the person who is doing it. I have no complaints. I appreciate @iLogik for doing the group buy!

 

[twosevenbluff]

Got mine today! Fits perfect and man do the cards slide nicely across the topper.

 

[Regularjohn]

To be clear, I'm not at all upset with @iLogik and I'm not asking for him to give me a refund. I guess I'll take a shot at trimming, but I'm not really happy about it. If I were the one running the GB, I'd ask the manufacturer to make it right. It's pretty straightforward.

1. You promised a product within specific tolerances.
2. We gave you a big order with the expectation that the product would meet those tolerances.
3. Some of the product did not meet those tolerances.
4. What are you going to do about it?

Easy, peasy.

And yes, undersized by too much is even worse than oversize. There should be a minimum and a maximum. With a 1/2 inch total tolerance. Not 1/2 inch in either direction. I mean, these guys are making them with machines aren't they? It's not like they're cutting them by hand, right? Or wrong?

Agreed on all points with this.

To add, I think the more egregious thing here is there are massive swings between toppers. Some are perfect, some slightly big, some even bigger. I don't remember who, but someone mentioned they ordered 3 toppers and all were 3 different sizes. So it's obviously not an issue with Barrington tables being different in size by a small margin.

For a 50 dollar topper, is this a huge deal? No. I'll cut and make it work. But I think the issue is the manufacturer messing this up and what are they going to do about it?

Again, no shade on ilogic, lots of work goes into these group buys and he ran it well. I think the points being made here are... will the manufacturer do anything to correct this? And will they be used again in future group buys?

 

[grahamplayscards]

Yeah, i apologize that the QC was not on point this time. Last group buy and even the singles that have been ordered since have to my knowledge been within the expected tolerances. I’ve brought the issue up to the manufacturer so going forward they will make sure this doesn’t happen again. Not sure i would wanna run this back now tho.

I think a lot of people that run group buys (cut cards come to mind) realize the effort on their end isn’t worth the hassle when there are quality issues. No shade to anyone, just my observations.

 

[Isorg]

Got my table out and I will have to trim both

Back v1 and a v2. One of them has a sewn edge.

The sewn edge one is going to be tough. Since the width is ok. It’s the length that is an issue.

 

[JustinInMN]

Mine came on Friday, and I just got around to setting one of my tables up today. We're getting ready to move so house is a bit chaotic.

I think mine is a little long as well but I think I would be taking at most 1/4 to 1/2 inch at each end. It's really close. The width is perfect.

And the grip on the mat is unbelievable. It holds in place very well. And I appreciate the inclusion of the carry case.

Thanks @iLogik for all of your effort on this.

I appreciate everyone sharing their tips for trimming. I'll probably make a go at that at some point.

 

[JustinInMN]

Very happy with mine. Before and after a little trim

I also needed to trim it. Not the end of the world. Still looks nice on the table. I’m happy with the toppers for the price point.

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These look good, what did you guys use to trim? Something like an exacto knife? Are those rotary cutters any good?

 

[PokerDogDoc]

These look good, what did you guys use to trim? Something like an exacto knife? Are those rotary cutters any good?

@JustinInMN @TX_Golf_N_Poker @Cratty @Colquhoun @Isorg @SkyBlue and others

What to use to trim? I know @iLogik uses electric scissors.

Although I’m donating mine to my local bar (points) league, I have a pair of very sharp 8” Gingher brand professional-grade dressmaker fabric scissors that I’ve used on previous neoprene table toppers, speedcloth, felt, foam, etc.

Not cheap at $40 on Amazon and elsewhere last I looked, but they cut like butter and I prefer the control I have vs. electric scissors. And when I say sharp, I mean dangerously sharp, so be careful if you get something similar. I’m pretty sure I could lop off a finger with these if I hit it between the joint.

I make a pattern of the elliptical ends of the table out of printer paper taped together, then transfer that to poster board for more rigidity. Once I cut those out, I lay them on the table and check for fit, then add in the straight sections or even just do the whole table. Then I flip it over and trace it to the back side of my fabric or topper using a silver Sharpie (better visibility, but I’ve used red before, too).

Cut out the topper with my scissors, lay it on the Barrington, and do a final trim where needed.

I should have kept the pattern for future use (like for now), but I tossed it last time and I am too busy to do that again right now… hence my donation of these toppers as the league plays on bare folding tables at some locations!

Here’s an old photo of my old poster board pattern and Gingher scissors.

 

[Cratty]

@JustinInMN @TX_Golf_N_Poker @Cratty @Colquhoun @Isorg @SkyBlue and others

What to use to trim? I know @iLogik uses electric scissors.

Although I’m donating mine to my local bar (points) league, I have a pair of very sharp 8” Gingher brand professional-grade dressmaker fabric scissors that I’ve used on previous neoprene table toppers, speedcloth, felt, foam, etc.

Not cheap at $40 on Amazon and elsewhere last I looked, but they cut like butter and I prefer the control I have vs. electric scissors. And when I say sharp, I mean dangerously sharp, so be careful if you get something similar. I’m pretty sure I could lop off a finger with these if I hit it between the joint.

I make a pattern of the elliptical ends of the table out of printer paper taped together, then transfer that to poster board for more rigidity. Once I cut those out, I lay them on the table and check for fit, then add in the straight sections or even just do the whole table. Then I flip it over and trace it to the back side of my fabric or topper using a silver Sharpie (better visibility, but I’ve used red before, too).

Cut out the topper with my scissors, lay it on the Barrington, and do a final trim where needed.

I should have kept the pattern for future use (like for now), but I tossed it last time and I am too busy to do that again right now… hence my donation of these toppers as the league plays on bare folding tables at some locations!

Here’s an old photo of my old poster board pattern and Gingher scissors.

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Historically have used regular scissors but ordered some electric scissors after seeing ilogik’s post.

I also use a “good” topper as a guide. I lay out the topper that needs trimming on the floor mat-side up, lay the correct sized topper on top, and mark the bottom topper cut-line with sharpie.

 

[JustinInMN]

Historically have used regular scissors but ordered some electric scissors after seeing ilogik’s post.

I also use a “good” topper as a guide. I lay out the topper that needs trimming on the floor mat-side up, lay the correct sized topper on top, and mark the bottom topper cut-line with sharpie.

I do have the thin blackjack topper that came with the table.

That's a great idea do use that for sizing.

I will probably make the poster board template based on that as well.

It will be a few weeks until I can take this up, but I will keep you posted and I would like to see before and afters from anyone else that has to do this.

 

[toothpic]

If anyone has an extra Wynn or Lucky's hit me up please!