Anyone seen one of these? (1 Viewer)

[upNdown]

Does anybody want a machine that “deals?” It seems like it spits out a hand and then somebody next to it has to grab it and pass it around to the next person?

 

[DragonflyNuts]

Does anybody want a machine that “deals?” It seems like it spits out a hand and then somebody next to it has to grab it and pass it around to the next person?

Not how they show it works. I'm more interested in the shuffling capability, because at least half my home game can't shuffle to save their lives. I was hoping for something cheaper than a ST, quieter, and less plastic. Maybe this is less plastic?

The dealing piece could get interesting if, say, the machine could scan player locations on the felt and pitch cards correctly. But then it still holds the remaining cards, so you'd end up taking out the deck anyway. Or wait until LeShufflerBot3000 arrives and it can deal the entire game through the river.

 

[suited67]

https://vimeo.com/1006604244?share=copy#t=0

Prototype video

 

[suited67]

It also identifies all cards are there

 

[jpietrella]

Le*sigh*

 

[SwissChip]

Le ‚RoyalWithCheese‘

 

[francoisLS]

Hi, François here, I am the founder of LeShuffler, happy to answer any question or take any feedback you may have.
Best,
François

Not how they show it works. I'm more interested in the shuffling capability, because at least half my home game can't shuffle to save their lives. I was hoping for something cheaper than a ST, quieter, and less plastic. Maybe this is less plastic?

The dealing piece could get interesting if, say, the machine could scan player locations on the felt and pitch cards correctly. But then it still holds the remaining cards, so you'd end up taking out the deck anyway. Or wait until LeShufflerBot3000 arrives and it can deal the entire game through the river.

Hi, Francois here, founder of LeShuffler.
It is indeed less plastic, the sides are solid walnut and the shell stainless steel.
If you want to use it in dealing mode, the cards are released on the table and can be forwarded to each player in turn by the designated dealer (the player sitting to the right of the machine). It is a continuous shuffler so most card stay inside, but it still deals the Flop, Turn and River at the press of a button.
Let me know of any question.

Does anybody want a machine that “deals?” It seems like it spits out a hand and then somebody next to it has to grab it and pass it around to the next person?H

Hi, Francois here, founder of LeShuffler,
100% correct, in dealing mode the designated dealer forwards the cards to each player in turn.
Or you can use it to shuffle only, in that case it is best to use 2 decks in alternance.
Any question let me know.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

What size cards is it designed to work with? FAQ shows both, but does one work better than the other?

 

[mooncereal]

Commenting to follow. I saw some ads for this too and I like the idea of a shufflemaster-like RNG shuffle technique without a 4k+ price tag. I wonder how the logistics would work with an on-table shuffler instead of in-table like the deckmate etc. I’d really like something that doesn’t take up table real estate

 

[mooncereal]

Oh also- I’m personally a little concerned with the deck dispenser because someone could accidentally flash the bottom of the deck when they cut, and seems like the “stopper” could get in the way when taking a deck out.

 

[demonnic]

I think you could place a cut card in the catch tray to counteract flashing the bottom card. And maybe a side cart to hold the machine. Definitely looking on with interest.

 

[mooncereal]

I think you could place a cut card in the catch tray to counteract flashing the bottom card. And maybe a side cart to hold the machine. Definitely looking on with interest.

For sure. I thought of that as well but I think players would be more comfortable with a cut after the shuffle for game integrity ya know?

 

[mooncereal]

If you could just slide the deck off the tray instead of having to lift it up and out, i think that would be helpful. Or functionality to drop the stopper to allow for sliding the deck out idk

 

[springbox]

If it's quieter and more reliably random than a shuffletech I see the appeal. The "dealing" options don't seem particularly interesting to poker players, you'll have a much easier time dealing the deck yourself. Ergonomics/footprint are where I'd see the most room for improvement, you can't tablemount this thing and it looks too large to comfortably leave on the table. Would love to see some reviews and more hands on footage.

 

[francoisLS]

What size cards is it designed to work with? FAQ shows both, but does one work better than the other?

Hi, it takes both Poker (3.5 x 2.5) and Bridge (3.5 x 2.5) size cards. Both work equally well. Bridge cards are faster by about 10% (probably because they are narrower by about 10%)

 

[francoisLS]

Commenting to follow. I saw some ads for this too and I like the idea of a shufflemaster-like RNG shuffle technique without a 4k+ price tag. I wonder how the logistics would work with an on-table shuffler instead of in-table like the deckmate etc. I’d really like something that doesn’t take up table real estate

Hi, we recommend having a designated dealer keeping LeShuffler by his/her side, as seen on the Kickstarter video, keeping in mind the machine's minimal footprint (width is 15 cm or 6 inches.).

 

[francoisLS]

Oh also- I’m personally a little concerned with the deck dispenser because someone could accidentally flash the bottom of the deck when they cut, and seems like the “stopper” could get in the way when taking a deck out.

Hi, you are 100% right. In fact the video shows a prototype where not everything is implemented.
When dealing cards on the table the "stopper" is flat on the table - it is actioned automatically when a dealing function is selected.
When shuffling a deck, the "stopper" will half-open and allow the deck to be easily picked. What is nice about it is that it also gives a visual cue that the deck is ready.
At the moment, we are missing the proper link between the servo motor and the "stopper", we are working on remaking it - hoping to post a video on a Kickstarter update showing it and will let you know.

 

[francoisLS]

I think you could place a cut card in the catch tray to counteract flashing the bottom card. And maybe a side cart to hold the machine. Definitely looking on with interest.

Hi, I answered separately regarding the placement of the machine and the picking up of the deck, and I am reacting to your idea.
If using LeShuffler to shuffle only, your idea of side cart works fine. It would not have to be big, footprint is 15 x 35 cm (6 x 13 3/4 inches).
The partial opening of the "stopper" practically removes the risk of flashing the bottom card - but your idea of cut card is also easily feasible and 100% safe.

 

[upNdown]

If it's quieter and more reliably random than a shuffletech I see the appeal. The "dealing" options don't seem particularly interesting to poker players, you'll have a much easier time dealing the deck yourself. Ergonomics/footprint are where I'd see the most room for improvement, you can't tablemount this thing and it looks too large to comfortably leave on the table. Would love to see some reviews and more hands on footage.

Yeah, I’m beginning to be sold.
Even if it’s significantly slower (and I’m not sure it is if you have your shuffletech set to 7) it really shouldn’t matter if you’re using two decks.

 

[francoisLS]

If you could just slide the deck off the tray instead of having to lift it up and out, i think that would be helpful. Or functionality to drop the stopper to allow for sliding the deck out idk

That is a very interesting idea, as mentioned before the stopper half-opens, but t we could add the possibility of having it opening in full - either automatically or at the press of the button depending on what is most convenient.
To be tested.

Yeah, I’m beginning to be sold.
Even if it’s significantly slower (and I’m not sure it is if you have your shuffletech set to 7) it really shouldn’t matter if you’re using two decks.

Agreed on both counts - the ST1000 is advertised at 1 mn 20 s when set on 7, I believe it is more 1 mn 30 or 1 mn 40 in real life, LeShuffler will definitely be at par or better. And as long as you are well below 2 minutes, with 2 decks it doesn't really matter anyway.

If it's quieter and more reliably random than a shuffletech I see the appeal. The "dealing" options don't seem particularly interesting to poker players, you'll have a much easier time dealing the deck yourself. Ergonomics/footprint are where I'd see the most room for improvement, you can't tablemount this thing and it looks too large to comfortably leave on the table. Would love to see some reviews and more hands on footage.

Hi, thanks for this - it is definitely quieter and absolutely random for sure.
Footprint is compact (6 x 13 3/4 inches) and @demonnic mentioned the idea of a side cart that would also work

 

[ekricket]

@demonnic mentioned the idea of a side cart that would also work

Sell it with a cart addon designed specifically to work with it.

 

[francoisLS]

Sell it with a cart addon designed specifically to work with it.

Good idea, thanks for the input!

 

[mooncereal]

That is a very interesting idea, as mentioned before the stopper half-opens, but t we could add the possibility of having it opening in full - either automatically or at the press of the button depending on what is most convenient.
To be tested.


Agreed on both counts - the ST1000 is advertised at 1 mn 20 s when set on 7, I believe it is more 1 mn 30 or 1 mn 40 in real life, LeShuffler will definitely be at par or better. And as long as you are well below 2 minutes, with 2 decks it doesn't really matter anyway.


Hi, thanks for this - it is definitely quieter and absolutely random for sure.
Footprint is compact (6 x 13 3/4 inches) and @demonnic mentioned the idea of a side cart that would also work

We all appreciate the replies, thank you! I can speak for myself but I the only features I look for as someone who hosts/deals games is:

- actually shuffles the deck
- small footprint on the table if any
- easy to remove cards without exposing them

 

[springbox]

Kickstarter has essentially 0 consumer protection right? I'd love to back this, but spending $600 on an unreleased product is a bit much for me.

 

[SetToBean]

Agreed on both counts - the ST1000 is advertised at 1 mn 20 s when set on 7, I believe it is more 1 mn 30 or 1 mn 40 in real life, LeShuffler will definitely be at par or better. And as long as you are well below 2 minutes, with 2 decks it doesn't really matter anyway.

While definitely true that there's diminishing returns, I'll note here for completeness that my new ST1000 7-shuffles fresh COPAGs in 60 seconds (1 minute), starting the timer when pressing the button and ending at the deck being presented (in flush-mount mode).

Perhaps it'll slow down with cards that aren't fresh out of the box or with general wear over time.

 

[francoisLS]

While definitely true that there's diminishing returns, I'll note here for completeness that my new ST1000 7-shuffles fresh COPAGs in 60 seconds (1 minute), starting the timer when pressing the button and ending at the deck being presented (in flush-mount mode).

Perhaps it'll slow down with cards that aren't fresh out of the box or with general wear over time.

Thanks @SetToBean, good to know.
In fairness the ST1000s I could test were not brand new as yours so this may also be a factor.

 

[francoisLS]

Kickstarter has essentially 0 consumer protection right? I'd love to back this, but spending $600 on an unreleased product is a bit much for me

Hi @springbox - you are right, on Kickstarter you support a project rather than buy a product, so the delivery is not immediate and there is a level of risk.
On the other hand, you are amongst the first to have it, at a nice discount (33% off in our case). LeShuffler will be available for sale first quarter 2025.

 

[francoisLS]

If it's quieter and more reliably random than a shuffletech I see the appeal. The "dealing" options don't seem particularly interesting to poker players, you'll have a much easier time dealing the deck yourself. Ergonomics/footprint are where I'd see the most room for improvement, you can't tablemount this thing and it looks too large to comfortably leave on the table. Would love to see some reviews and more hands on footage.

Hi @springbox
Following up on your footage request, just to let you know that a video showing the Texas Hold'Em feature has just been posted here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/francoissteiner/leshuffler/posts/4203185

 

[Preditor]

@francoisLA One concern in the prototype video is noise. Not so much of the machine, but if the “pit pat pit pat” of the cards hitting the tray. Are there any plans to put any sound dampener on the tray to minimize the sound of plastic hitting metal?

 

[francoisLS]

@francoisLA One concern in the prototype video is noise. Not so much of the machine, but if the “pit pat pit pat” of the cards hitting the tray. Are there any plans to put any sound dampener on the tray to minimize the sound of plastic hitting metal?

Hi @Preditor,
Are you referring to the first video in update #2? We had other people commenting on it and suggesting to put a dampener - we prototyped it in TPU (a kind of rubber) and it does a good job, so we will implement something similar in the production model.
You can check this video in update #3 published today where it is implemented (at about 4:00, when emptying the machine).
Let me know your thoughts.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/francoissteiner/leshuffler/posts/4203185