Tourney Am I a scrooge? (1 Viewer)

[Mojo1312]

What is a fair tip-out to dealers? I recently cashed out with $900 in a $100 tournament and a $1000 in a $110 tournament. ($90 buy-in with a $20 add-on during the first break) Splits were negotiated in both, so we settled pay-outs and tip-outs as a group. In the first case I took $900 and the other two players $1050 apiece. They each decided to give $40 for a tip to the dealers, and I gave $20. In the latter tournament we split the $3000 prize pool three ways. Again, the other two players each gave $40, while I pitched in $30.

I believe 3% is fair and reasonable, and 4% as being generous. Thoughts?

 

[upNdown]

I think you're being a little cheap. I consider 5% a minimum and it's usually more like 10% if I'm cashing for under a grand.

 

[Mojo1312]

I think you're being a little cheap. I consider 5% a minimum and it's usually more like 10% if I'm cashing for under a grand.

What do you tip-out in cash games?

 

[PhilLaFond]

I've heard that anywhere from three to five percent is fairly standard in the industry. Doesn't mean you can't do more... I tend to factor in whether or not there's a "dealer fee" attached to the tourney buy-in as well.

As to cash, playing mostly 1/3, $1 is the norm, few more bucks for the larger pots. Again, the size of the pot plays a big part. But that said, I've seen a bunch of players stack someone for $300-$400 and still just slide the dealer $2.

 

[upNdown]

What do you tip-out in cash games?

At $1/$2, I'm tipping a buck for most pots that are $10 or more, $2 for pots in the $50 range, and probably more if I'm raking $100 or more?
Something like that, anyway.

 

[upNdown]

FWIW, a buddy of mine who's a dealer will always tip the dealer when he wins a hand at a self-dealt home game, and it's usually a big blind.

 

[Jambine]

What is a fair tip-out to dealers?

I think 5% is reasonable. It's not overly generous, but not stingy either.


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[Poker Zombie]

Usually, when determining a chop I will work the dealer's share into the chop. That way nobody has to part with "their own" cash, it's just a part of the chop.

 

[rowlin]

Mojo, you can’t leave the door wide open for me like that. I mean, really man.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

3% is perfectly fine for a tourney win. If you want to pay more, feel free, but you shouldn't feel obligated.

 

[BGinGA]

I typically tip around 10% of my net (not gross prize money) for cashes under $1000, rounded to a non-dollar amount.

 

[derekdd23]

I usually check to see if a dealer toke is taken from my buy in. If there is I will tip about 2 - 4% depending on my mood. If there is no dealer toke i usually do 5%.

 

[ChipEnvy]

Wait... You can get money back after paying the entry fee? What next, you gonna tell me there are electric cars!?

 

[Mojo1312]

Mojo, you can’t leave the door wide open for me like that. I mean, really man.

Don't be shy. Come on in. I have extended an open invite to a discussion on the subject.

 

[Potsie1]

Ive always seen and given 10%. If I win $1000 and buy in was $100 I would tip $90. Im not saying Im correct, only saying its all ive seen and done.

 

[Mojo1312]

I've heard that anywhere from three to five percent is fairly standard in the industry. Doesn't mean you can't do more... I tend to factor in whether or not there's a "dealer fee" attached to the tourney buy-in as well.

$10 of the player's initial buy-in goes to the dealer.

 

[Tanner Kaza]

10% seems very high to me. Personal opinion though.

 

[Poker Zombie]

$10 of the player's initial buy-in goes to the dealer.

$10 went to the dealer(s) to pay their salaries. That should not be mistaken for a tip.

 

[upNdown]

$10 went to the dealer(s) to pay their salaries. That should not be mistaken for a tip.

Right. I always get annoyed when they itemize their rake to include a dealers fee. I don't care what the casino's costs are - just tell me how much you're raking off my buyin, and deal me some cards!

 

[Jeff]

$40 to $50 depending on whether I liked the dealer.

If there’s a “right amount” I’m interested in the consensus.

 

[dickzapper]

At a local tourney for a non-profit lodge here, the 2-3 dealers wouldn't get paid for their 4.5 or so hours, but it was expected to tip them 10% of the take which would be around 1500-2500.

I've never cashed in a casino tourney though and have no clue how that works. Only entered 3 ever I think.

 

[derekdd23]

$10 went to the dealer(s) to pay their salaries. That should not be mistaken for a tip.

This is always an issue for me. If the house takes $30 as an entry fee then they take an additional 10 dealer fee then the dealers get their normal hourly/down plus their portion of the $10 each person paid, basically a built in tip. If the only fee is a $30 entry fee then I assume the dealers only get the hourly rate(or rate per down) and split whatever the players give.

 

[CraigT78]

If you win a European tournament, do you tip?

 

[Mojo1312]

So to clarify: In both tournaments, there is a $20 rake taken by the house and a $10 dealer fee. 100% of any re-buys goes into the prize pool. These tournaments are limited to two tables on Friday night ($100 buy-in) and three tables on weeknights. The two tournaments had 24 and 32 players. -- New players are allowed to join the tournament if seats become available during the re-buy period.

These tournaments last roughly five hours from start to finish, which includes breaks.

$10 went to the dealer(s) to pay their salaries. That should not be mistaken for a tip.

Dealers in our State are paid hourly at the same rate as waitresses and waiters.

 

[upNdown]

So to clarify: In both tournaments, there is a $20 rake taken by the house and a $10 dealer fee. 100% of any re-buys goes into the prize pool. These tournaments are limited to two tables on Friday night ($100 buy-in) and three tables on weeknights. The two tournaments had 24 and 32 players. -- New players are allowed to join the tournament if seats become available during the re-buy period.

These tournaments last roughly five hours from start to finish, which includes breaks.



Dealers in our State are paid hourly at the same rate as waitresses and waiters.

I’d bet anything that the $10 dealer fee isn’t going to the dealers on top of their hourly rate. They’re getting paid just their regular hourly rate and that $10 fee is taken by the house to offset that. I’d wager.

 

[Psypher1000]

In the rare situations where I've cashed at casino tourneys, I've tipped 10% of my winnings less all fees paid to enter.

In the casino $2/$4 or $3/$6 cash games, it's always $1/hand, or $2 for a good-sized pot. When folks have hit a high hand bonus, I've seen them pay around 5-10% to the dealer.

 

[Mojo1312]

I’d bet anything that the $10 dealer fee isn’t going to the dealers on top of their hourly rate. They’re getting paid just their regular hourly rate and that $10 fee is taken by the house to offset that. I’d wager.

I will take you up on that wager. The casino has tournament sheets for players interested in the rules, structure and other info like start time, buy-in, number of seats, starting stacks, as well as how a players buy-in is divided. I credit the casino with not being so foolhardy as to produce a document in black and white that contains erroneous information that could potentially jeopardize their gaming license with the state.

Dealers fall under the category of tipped employees in Maine. The minimum wage for such workers is $5 an hour.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Even if that is paid on top of their normal "nominal" salary, it's still dirt (unless the tournament only runs a couple of hours).

The most I ever tipped, was 10% of the prize pool. Not my cut, 10% of the whole thing. He was the best dealer ever. Astute enough to notice that Mrs Zombie and I were together, and even though we were the final 2 at the table, was more than happy to continue dealing until 1st and second place money could be determined.

In a cash game, I'm a shitty tipper. I'll tip $1 if I pull a good pot - $50 or more. I'll tip $5 if the pot is all-in for stacks. But I really hate the fact that my stack in a cash game is continually shrinking due to rake and "bonus pool" rake. I'd be more than happy to tip more at the end of a session, but that's just not practical since the best dealer may roll off shift.

Besides, people always say things like "don't blame the dealer" for getting bad cards, but tipping the dealer for good cards is status quo. WTF?

 

[JustinInMN]

For a tourney I really think 3-4% is fine, especially if there is a "dealer appreciaton" included in the buy in. (But in the interest of settling the question between @Mojo1312 and @upNdown I will ask about this next time I play live.

For cash, I typically play 8/16 limit and I will alway do $1 on any hand of $40 or more, and the occasional $2 on $100 or more.

I figure dealers that average a $1 tip per hand should pull $25-30 an hour. No limit is slower si you guys should tip more.

 

[PhilLaFond]

Even if that is paid on top of their normal "nominal" salary, it's still dirt (unless the tournament only runs a couple of hours).

The most I ever tipped, was 10% of the prize pool. Not my cut, 10% of the whole thing. He was the best dealer ever. Astute enough to notice that Mrs Zombie and I were together, and even though we were the final 2 at the table, was more than happy to continue dealing until 1st and second place money could be determined.

In a cash game, I'm a shitty tipper. I'll tip $1 if I pull a good pot - $50 or more. I'll tip $5 if the pot is all-in for stacks. But I really hate the fact that my stack in a cash game is continually shrinking due to rake and "bonus pool" rake. I'd be more than happy to tip more at the end of a session, but that's just not practical since the best dealer may roll off shift.

Besides, people always say things like "don't blame the dealer" for getting bad cards, but tipping the dealer for good cards is status quo. WTF?

So you don't tip the dealer if you win a pot less than $50? Wow. I mean, I appreciate your honesty, but just, wow. Ever think about tossing them a couple bucks when they change shifts then? I don't consider it a tip for good cards, just for their efforts doing a relatively monotonous job for hours on end that pays shit. The tip comes from the player that wins the pot because, well, they won the pot, lol.