Tourney Adding Re-buys to payouts (1 Viewer)

[Lapalk]

Question regarding how to add re-buys into the payout structure.

Let's say I have a 30 player tournament.
Between 28-31 players, we payout 7 players (Current structure)
Between 32-35 players, we payout 8 players

Let's say there are 3 re-buys (totaling 33 entries)
Because there are only 30 players, do I want to add the additional 3 entry fees (re-buys) to the structure of paying 7 players
Or...
Act like there are now 33 players and payout 8 players?

Appreciate your responses.

 

[Deucekies]

I'd say that's entirely up to you. Would you rather err on the side of paying more players, or on the side of bigger payouts?

I personally prefer keeping the number of payouts the same because, taken to the extreme, how many people do you pay out if all 30 players take a rebuy? What if some of them take more than one?

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Many here often make the distinction between rebuys and reentries. A reentry comes with a new seating draw, while a rebuy you stay in your current seat and get handed a new stack of chips. Home games often don't have the capacity for a reentry (just a rebuy), while casinos most frequently use reentries. Since you have such a large game, you could probably handle a reentry tournament.

Regardless, it is up to you. If you want to spread the money more and have beginners find payouts more frequently, then add more payouts. If you want to reward the better players more frequently, don't. As an aside, if you don't add additional payouts, it makes it less likely a player in for two bullets will not walk out a loser after making the money, if that is something that matters to you.

 

[CraigT78]

I do not count a rebuy or re-entry as a player when it comes to changing the number of payouts.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Act like there are now 33 players and payout 8 players?

Appreciate your responses.

There's really no correct answer here. Do whatever you like and feel free to experiment to find out what works for your group of players.

I do not count a rebuy or re-entry as a player when it comes to changing the number of payouts.

I do to a certain point. I think the most players/rebuys we've ever had was 49 but we still only paid 5.

Prize Pool​

Payouts for all league events will be as follows:

5 players* or less pays first place only.

6-9 players* pays top two finishers (65/35)*.

10-18 players* pays top three finishers (50/30/20)*. 19-24 players* pays top four finishers (40/30/20/10)*.

25+ players* pays top four finishers + $75 for 5th place. (40/30/20/10)*.

*Rebuys are considered additional entries when determining prize pool.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

There's really no correct answer here. Do whatever you like and feel free to experiment to find out what works for your group of players.


I do to a certain point. I think the most players/rebuys we've ever had was 49 but we still only paid 5.

Prize Pool​

Payouts for all league events will be as follows:

5 players* or less pays first place only.

6-9 players* pays top two finishers (65/35)*.

10-18 players* pays top three finishers (50/30/20)*. 19-24 players* pays top four finishers (40/30/20/10)*.

25+ players* pays top four finishers + $75 for 5th place. (40/30/20/10)*.

*Rebuys are considered additional entries when determining prize pool.

How much is the buy-in? $75 for fifth place could mean different things depending on what your buy-in is.

 

[Lapalk]

How much is the buy-in? $75 for fifth place could mean different things depending on what your buy-in is.

Buy-in is $60.
Estimated 30 people.
Paying 7 people - 20-25% of the pool. Doing this as we aspire to host a tournament quarterly.

1 - $650
2 - $350
3 - $240
4 - $190
5 - $150
6 - $120
7 - $90

(May change 6th and 7th slightly lower and give more to 1st and 2nd)

 

[ValueTown]

It's a rebuy, so increase the payouts. I dont like when the host says top 7 pays then later says top 8.

We all think top 7 pays and the amount increases based on rebuys, not the fact more folks get money when there are rebuys.

My .02.

 

[Kentucky]

It's a rebuy, so increase the payouts. I dont like when the host says top 7 pays then later says top 8.

I have a lot of time for this argument, I treat all entries & rebuys the same. From a practical point of view it’s easier for me to have a chart in my pocket showing places and prizes for a particular number of buy ins. It makes it easier to sort things out at the end, especially as I hope to be at the final table!

 

[doublebooyah85]

I do not count a rebuy or re-entry as a player when it comes to changing the number of payouts.

Interesting. I wonder if I’m making a mistake. I calculate rebuys as another “entry” into my payout calculation. Therefore if we have 27 players and 8 rebuys, I go to my 35 person field payout and plug it in.

I guess your prize pools are going to be much juicier and I’m spreading the wealth.

 

[cpac54]

Interesting. I wonder if I’m making a mistake. I calculate rebuys as another “entry” into my payout calculation. Therefore if we have 27 players and 8 rebuys, I go to my 35 person field payout and plug it in.

I guess your prize pools are going to be much juicier and I’m spreading the wealth.

This is the way I’ve done it in the past as well, but I can see the argument for either option.

I think the important part is to just make sure all players know what the deal is in advance so there are no surprises come payout time.

I personally always do a quick announcement before the start of tournaments to go over the structure, rules, etc, incl payout rules, if anything just to avoid any confusion.

 

[dpeks13]

I keep the same number of places paid and %s, so the pool just goes up

 

[upNdown]

As an aside, if you don't add additional payouts, it makes it less likely a player in for two bullets will not walk out a loser after making the money, if that is something that matters to you.

I like that. Keep firing bullets at your own risk.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Interesting. I wonder if I’m making a mistake. I calculate rebuys as another “entry” into my payout calculation. Therefore if we have 27 players and 8 rebuys, I go to my 35 person field payout and plug it in.

I guess your prize pools are going to be much juicier and I’m spreading the wealth.

I wouldn't say its a mistake, just another strategy. I prefer spreading the wealth as well. In larger fields this should benefit the better players though.

We prefer more people leave with money. @FestiveKnight does the same for his weekly tournaments.

 

[wickedwonka121]

I don't change the payout structure after rebuys. In most cases I decide between 2 to 4 payouts when the tournament starts. I had 4 when there were 2 tables. 3 for a full table. Rarely 2, this happens when there is a small table (6 players or less). It stays that way and the percentages dictate the dollars of the payouts, of course.

 

[FestiveKnight]

I wouldn't say its a mistake, just another strategy. I prefer spreading the wealth as well. In larger fields this should benefit the better players though.

We prefer more people leave with money. @FestiveKnight does the same for his weekly tournaments.

Yep. Payouts are based on total buy ins + rebuys cause I think a casual that pays more spots keeps people coming back and buying in more.

Our weeklies are nice and chill $9 in, $2 goes towards season finale freeroll and $1 goes towards mystery bounties for said finale.

All online so it’s easy to accommodate cents values so math is driven by percents I can up with. I’ll actually may be shifting a couple percentage points around for next season on the higher counts cause I don’t like that at 21 players 5th doesn’t repay your initial buy in.

 

[CraigT78]

Interesting. I wonder if I’m making a mistake. I calculate rebuys as another “entry” into my payout calculation. Therefore if we have 27 players and 8 rebuys, I go to my 35 person field payout and plug it in.

I guess your prize pools are going to be much juicier and I’m spreading the wealth.

Yes, bigger payout. I pay two spots per full table. So I'm usually paying 3. In the event that I fill every seat, I pay 4. My rebuys are only $60 ($120 entry) so I'll get 8-12 per game and that helps juice the prize pool.

 

[springbox]

I'm on team spread the wealth, but really it's totally preference. The payout chart I give people says 'entries' not 'players'. But for a STT it just means sometimes a 3rd or 4th person cashes when they wouldn't have otherwise.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Yes, bigger payout. I pay two spots per full table. So I'm usually paying 3. In the event that I fill every seat, I pay 4. My rebuys are only $60 ($120 entry) so I'll get 8-12 per game and that helps juice the prize pool.

Do you run cash after tourneys? What’s a full table? 8, 9 or 10?

Love hearing everyone’s different approaches.

 

[HiveKueen]

I spread the wealth in my league because I think this fosters participation/attendance. You need to poll your group to see what would be preferred. Interestingly, I could change this tomorrow and not affect our points system for qualifying for championship games. I would change if the makeup of my group changed such that bigger payouts was more of an incentive to play than number of payouts.

 

[megarises]

Interesting. I wonder if I’m making a mistake. I calculate rebuys as another “entry” into my payout calculation. Therefore if we have 27 players and 8 rebuys, I go to my 35 person field payout and plug it in.

I guess your prize pools are going to be much juicier and I’m spreading the wealth.

I do the exact same thing and I think its worked out pretty well for my game. I see the argument as well for juicier payouts, but I think my players enjoy a better opportunity to make it into the money.

 

[CraigT78]

Do you run cash after tourneys? What’s a full table? 8, 9 or 10?

Love hearing everyone’s different approaches.

I run cash from noon to 8 pm—the tournament from 8 to midnight.

A full table for me is 9. So my max is 18. We play NLHE for the tournament.

 

[Lapalk]

Appreciate all the replies as it gave me something to think about.
Because I've decided to pay 20-25% of the pool to establish the tournament, I'm leaning toward increasing the payouts rather the treating re-buys as an additional player.
However, I can see why others would do so.
Pretty excited to host my 1st ever tournament this weekend. Can't stop thinking how to make it impactful, lol