2015 WSOP! (2 Viewers)

It's almost as exciting reading this thread ask actually playing poker. .....lol.....I'm looking forward to bragging too friends that my friend cashed in a WSOP event.

Now the nickname I first gave you applies. ....."shark"
 
Great run Paulo! Couldn't have asked to get it in better. Congrats on the cash!
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What a great ride you gave us all Paulo! Thank you! I had such a great time following this thread! Heart felt congratulations for a cash in the WSOP!

Only question now is how long before that 5k turns into a custom chip set!?!
 
A well earned cash, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy! It took a ton of skill to run that deep, but when you are talking about 22,374, players, you are going to run into some bad beats. While I do not follow a "who's who" of poker there were some names I did recognize in in the in the Day 2 list: Greg Raymer, JC Tran, Erick Lindgren (who you outlasted), and Paulo Corderio.

So, an amazing accomplishment!
 
You got it in good; that's the best you can hope to do. The outcome is another matter, but $5k is a great return on investment!

Congrats, and thanks for lettings us vicariously ride the ride with you. It was a blast for us, too!
 
I had concerns about the payout structure (as noted in a previous post). First and foremost, why, why, why didn't they post the payout structure before the event? Hi were going to set records with this. We are going to do a lot of planning, and get everything done as well as possible. Payouts? Players don't care about those. Look at all the money we're going to make!

When they finally announced the structure (while I was in a Deepstack) reactions varied from miffed to outrage - and these were people no longer in the Colossus. My final opinion on it: WSOP is hosted by a company that just declared bankruptcy. Maybe they're not too good at accounting, or knowing how to get people to come back.

The plus side: Flat the top prize = more money left in the pool for ChaosRock in 591st. So that's a win.
 
I had concerns about the payout structure (as noted in a previous post). First and foremost, why, why, why didn't they post the payout structure before the event? Hi were going to set records with this. We are going to do a lot of planning, and get everything done as well as possible. Payouts? Players don't care about those. Look at all the money we're going to make!

When they finally announced the structure (while I was in a Deepstack) reactions varied from miffed to outrage - and these were people no longer in the Colossus. My final opinion on it: WSOP is hosted by a company that just declared bankruptcy. Maybe they're not too good at accounting, or knowing how to get people to come back.

The plus side: Flat the top prize = more money left in the pool for ChaosRock in 591st. So that's a win.

I'm with Palansky on this. If you wanna payout the top 10%, that's a lot of players in an over 22k field.

The rake was clear from the start, $500 goes into the prizepool, and $65 is for paying the staff, and the cost of running the tournament. I'll be playing in a $1,500 event, and $150 of that money is going to the WSOP with $1,350 going into the prizepool. For the Main Event $600 per player goes to the WSOP, with $9,400 going into the prizepool.

The blinds are more favorable in higher buy-in games. That means the players will be in the game longer, therefore costing more money, which accounts for the higher rake amount. They also have to rent the space from Harrah's, pay the staff (not just the dealers, but the cage personnel, security, floor persons, etc.), and write off the chips, chairs, cards, and tables. And since it's a business they also need to make a profit, because if they don't there won't be a WSOP for much longer.

Ultimately there's 11M to distribute among the 22,000 players, and if you're going to pay 1st place more, the other places get less. It's simple math. So you need to make a choice. Do you payout more to first place, or do you payout more to the rest of the field. They could payout a smaller percentage of the field, or apply a steeper payout curve. It doesn't have any consequences for the profit the WSOP makes though, they still get their $65 per player.

If you're going to demand a lower rake, that will be reflected in the tournament structure. If they have to make do with less money per player, they'll want to eliminate players out of the tournament faster. That will mean reducing the blind levels from 40 to 30 minutes, reducing the starting stacks from 5,000 to 3,000 chips, or starting with 50/100 blinds instead of 25/50.

I'm sure they'll try to accommodate the wishes of the players by changing the structure of the payouts or the structure of the tournament, but whatever changes they will make they'll hurt more players and reward fewer. But if that's what the players want, that's what they'll do.


The WSOP has made poor choices before, but every year they've improved. They listened to the players, and learned from their mistakes. In 2006 the big blunder was the All-In chip which caused players to move all-in unintentionally. In 2007 it was the poorly designed Pokerpeek cards that led to players mistaking 6s for 9s and vice versa, and the 25,000 chip which was too similar in color to the 5,000 chip making calculating the pot and pot odds nearly impossible (and not working very well on TV). Over the years chip counts have gone up, antes were introduced, and longer levels and smaller jumps were implemented.

In 2014 they decided to double the length of the early levels, but eliminated the first two blinds levels.
  • In 2011 and 2012 I played in $1,500 Limit games which started with 25/50 blinds (50/100 limits), 4,500 chips (90 BBs, equivalent to 180 BBs in No Limit), and 60 minute levels (2nd level 50/75 blinds and 75/150 limits).
  • In 2014 they changed that to 50/100 starting blinds (100/200 limits), 4,500 chips (45 BBs, equivalent to 90 BBs in No Limit), and 120 minutes for the first 3 levels (2nd level 75/150 blinds and 150/300 limits). While it did allow more play for hours 6 and up, it meant the players were short-stacked in hours 1-3, resulting in many early eliminations.
  • This year they're compensating for this by increasing the starting stacks to 7,500 chips (75 BBs, equivalent to 150 BBs in No Limit), increasing play for hours 2 and up.

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First, the WSOP is owned by Caesars Entertainment, which also owns the Rio. While they "lose" any revenue they could get by having a smaller convention during the time of the WSOP, they are not spending money renting the space.

I will also say, that their table breakdown procedures were stellar. They had to get players not only from the hallway near the casino, but also as far away as the regular poker room. They raided restaurants for extra chairs. They had staff (though opinions vary on dealer proficiency) to cover everything.

I know the rake is part of the game. I know that extra money to first = less money across the pool. I typically prefer a flat structure. But since this was such a huge event, I would (and many of the players would) have liked to see "life changing" money for 1st. So I will make a little noise about it - because as you've said, the WSOP listens to it's players, and they won't fix it if nobody tells them it's broken.
 
First and foremost, why, why, why didn't they post the payout structure before the event?

I think they really didn't finalize their decision until after the even started, because they really didn't know how many entrants/rebuys there would be.

They could have posted "potential" payouts and/or formulas, but that would just enrage other people in another way. (Or perhaps the same people.)
 
the WSOP is owned by Caesars Entertainment, which also owns the Rio. While they "lose" any revenue they could get by having a smaller convention during the time of the WSOP, they are not spending money renting the space.

The way this is usually handled in conglomerates like this is that the WSOP would pay the Rio a fair rate for the use of the space. It becomes a wash when both sub-companies report profits/losses up to the parent company, but the WSOP has to pay for their space, regardless who they rent it from, and the Rio makes money from whomever they rent it to.

If one sub-company or the other is in financial trouble, the parent company may pressure them to make a sweetheart deal - for example, Caesars might push the Rio to give the WSOP a really good deal, if they feel the need to support the WSOP (which might be a good thing for the industry in general, as well as for the WSOP.)
 
Muito bom, Paulo. Winning this type size of tournament is equivalent to flipping a coin several thousand times and correctly predicting heads or tails. It may seem impossible, but one person will be able to say at the end of it, that he/she made the totality of decisions perfectly (in the sense that even when wrong, it did not cost his/her tournament life). Tenho dor de cotovelo para voce.
 
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I had a great time meeting all the home game heroes that came out to play in the Colossus. Unfortunately, only one made the final table, as the edge the pros have when it gets deep in a tournament just gets to be absurd. I wrote a column about that, probably the piece I'm most proud of from my time out in Vegas. I'd love to hear people's feedback.

http://aarontodd.casinocitytimes.co...tanding-ends-colossal-wsop-run-in-ninth-64406
 

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