Just Curious as to the Why Behind Purchasing via PM (1 Viewer)

[Saoliver]

When I have something that I want to sell, I usually offer first via PM to my friends here. If they don’t want it, then I put up a sale ad.

I actually spend more time communicating through PM than I do reading and posting. And that’s a lot, because I just hit a Full House in the last year or so that I have been quite active.

 

[Eloe2000]

When I have something that I want to sell, I usually offer first via PM to my friends here. If they don’t want it, then I put up a sale ad.

It makes sense because you can quickly identify people who would be willing to help you out on a project when you are in need by communicating through PMs. Some people use the community as a two way street while other others are just focused on their projects. You never know when you will be in need to complete a project. Personally, I like trying to connect the dots in this community and then hopefully on the days when I need help I can find it.

 

[Johnblue]

I would never “under bid” in public right on someone’s sales thread, that’s just rude and uncalled for. I have pmed what I thought was a reasonable offer a few times. Saying “if you can do it for $xxx I would snap buy”.... if i want them at the listed price I put my dibs in mainly to show proof to all potential opponents and send a PM to finalize the agreement Right Away.

I value The Dibs on a public thread, I would think it pretty shady to be told they were already sold if I had gotten a dibs in, and followed through with a PM right away. (On a quick same day listing) I would understand if it was days and weeks later.

When I was building the roulette molds set, I “cold PMed” everybody and anybody who had every publicly touched any grand Vic roulettes, it got me racks and racks of chips, my searches went years back, even woke up some people who were relatively inactive.

I think some of the more serious chippers, and those who are content with their collections don’t really hang out in the classifieds, especially peoples wanted ads.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I would never “under bid” in public right on someone’s sales thread, that’s just rude and uncalled for. I have pmed what I thought was a reasonable offer a few times. Saying “if you can do it for $xxx I would snap buy”.... if i want them at the listed price I put my dibs in mainly to show proof to all potential opponents and send a PM to finalize the agreement Right Away.

I value The Dibs on a public thread, I would think it pretty shady to be told they were already sold if I had gotten a dibs in, and followed through with a PM right away. (On a quick same day listing) I would understand if it was days and weeks later.

When I was building the roulette molds set, I “cold PMed” everybody and anybody who had every publicly touched any grand Vic roulettes, it got me racks and racks of chips, my searches went years back, even woke up some people who were relatively inactive.

I think some of the more serious chippers, and those who are content with their collections don’t really hang out in the classifieds, especially peoples wanted ads.

I *think* these are the most common sentiments. I look forward to being established and no longer being so active in the buying selling phase.

As for the shady part, I try not to jump there, but I’m rather tired of my recent personal experiences. Not sure how many times in the past month alone I can publicly dib within the hour of a post, offer exactly what OP was asking/looking for via pm, and be told sorry there’s another direction I’m going in (occurring in highly sought after posts as well as not as popular posts).

 

[Johnblue]

I *think* these are the most common sentiments. I look forward to being established and no longer being so active in the buying selling phase.

As for the shady part, I try not to jump there, but I’m rather tired of my recent personal experiences. Not sure how many times in the past month alone I can publicly dib within the hour of a post, offer exactly what OP was asking/looking for via pm, and be told sorry there’s another direction I’m going in (occurring in highly sought after posts as well as not as popular posts).

That’s never happened to me before, but I mostly buy solids and random items, not coveted rare chips that are in high demand.

 

[pltrgyst]

When I'm ready to sell something,, I'll offer first via pm to people who have previously told me they were looking for those chips. If they're not interested, I post a sale ad.

If I'm interested in something another has for sale, I post in the sale thread.

I never pm for an item that someone has for sale in an ad, and I never sell to someone who pms me outside of my sale thread.

And I try to never sell to anyone who runs sale threads and sells by pms outside their threads.

IMO, any secrecy concerns are bullshit that diminishes the value and enjoyment of PCF.

 

[Hornet]

Not sure how many times in the past month alone I can publicly dib within the hour of a post, offer exactly what OP was asking/looking for via pm, and be told sorry there’s another direction I’m going in (occurring in highly sought after posts as well as not as popular posts).

I think I was one of the people selling, and for that I apologize. I failed to instruct people to post dibs in the sales thread, and when someone sent me a PM before dibs were posted I felt obligated to sell to that person. I’ve learned my lesson and from now on when I post a sales thread everything will be public per my instructions. I believe in transparency and wasn’t trying to do anything “shady.”

 

[BarrieJ3]

I think I was one of the people selling, and for that I apologize. I failed to instruct people to post dibs in the sales thread, and when someone sent me a PM before dibs were posted I felt obligated to sell to that person. I’ve learned my lesson and from now on when I post a sales thread everything will be public per my instructions. I believe in transparency and wasn’t trying to do anything “shady.”

Oh yeah I figured that one was actually pretty kosher just from seeing you on here and whatnot. The rest Id actually give the benefit of the doubt to as well, it’s probably just a bad run of luck.

Not even that big of a deal, lol just can’t figure out how to buy! (Public Dibs didn’t appear to be favorable as I lost out a couple times, moved to PMs and lost last two sales because seller preferred the public dibs posted after my pm. Add to that the people that won’t sell to me from the recent short term leave snafu, and I’m living in a dry county!!)

 

[Hornet]

Add to that the people that won’t sell to me from the recent short term leave snafu, and I’m living in a dry county!!)

I would sell to/buy from you any time ... and I’m sure as time goes by more and more people will.

 

[Josh Kifer]

I think I was one of the people selling, and for that I apologize. I failed to instruct people to post dibs in the sales thread, and when someone sent me a PM before dibs were posted I felt obligated to sell to that person. I’ve learned my lesson and from now on when I post a sales thread everything will be public per my instructions. I believe in transparency and wasn’t trying to do anything “shady.”

I got my eye on you....

 

[Hornet]

I got my eye on you....

Shit, all I need is PCF’s number one troll after me.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Shit, all I need is PCF’s number one troll after me.

 

[Johnblue]

I think I was one of the people selling, and for that I apologize. I failed to instruct people to post dibs in the sales thread, and when someone sent me a PM before dibs were posted I felt obligated to sell to that person. I’ve learned my lesson and from now on when I post a sales thread everything will be public per my instructions. I believe in transparency and wasn’t trying to do anything “shady.”

yeah, I always respect the guys that say ... “this is NOT a dibs thread”

I also respect the guys that jump on and say “sold” and “pending” as soon as humanly possible.

it really helps all us chip hungry scrub donkeys not get our hopes up.

 

[BarrieJ3]

So here’s the big question, how do you address some of the “bullshit”? @Hornet, I got that our mix up was just a mix up. and figured such cause it was you. But what about the other, more shady stuff?

I just had a for sale where I made a public I’ll take it all, followed up by PM. Was super cool, even said I’d honor all other public posts that wanted a piece. But then sale is pulled and every single item auctioned off to maximize profit after seeing interest.

We can’t threadcrap, I won’t publicly chastise, so what route is there? I’m tired of being on the wrong end, especially when it’s not new members that should know better.

 

[FordPickup92]

So here’s the big question, how do you address some of the “bullshit”? @Hornet, I got that our mix up was just a mix up. and figured such cause it was you. But what about the other, more shady stuff?

I just had a for sale where I made a public I’ll take it all, followed up by PM. Was super cool, even said I’d honor all other public posts that wanted a piece. But then sale is pulled and every single item auctioned off to maximize profit after seeing interest.

We can’t threadcrap, I won’t publicly chastise, so what route is there? I’m tired of being on the wrong end, especially when it’s not new members that should know better.

Dont feel singled out, he denied me as well.

 

[Marhault]

So here’s the big question, how do you address some of the “bullshit”? @Hornet, I got that our mix up was just a mix up. and figured such cause it was you. But what about the other, more shady stuff?

I just had a for sale where I made a public I’ll take it all, followed up by PM. Was super cool, even said I’d honor all other public posts that wanted a piece. But then sale is pulled and every single item auctioned off to maximize profit after seeing interest.

We can’t threadcrap, I won’t publicly chastise, so what route is there? I’m tired of being on the wrong end, especially when it’s not new members that should know better.

Honestly there's nothing to do as long as they're not violating rules of the classifieds. Hell I've bought things on eBay before that the seller either had sellers remorse or oversold an item and refunded my money and apologized saying item no longer for sale. This is on the largest online auction site in the world. So if that type of activity can't be prevented there you're for sure not going to prevent it here.

At best you can make public mention of it and call them out (outside their classified ad) to allow them to explain. Or make use of the feedback system.

No seller is obligated to sell in the same way no buyer is obligated to buy. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been told "I'll buy your item you have listed next week" or any variation of that sentence and 9 times out of 10 you never hear from them again and most times if you message them again they just ignore or say they changed their minds.

At the end of the day I'd say your best bet is to temper your expectations.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Honestly there's nothing to do as long as they're not violating rules of the classifieds. Hell I've bought things on eBay before that the seller either had sellers remorse or oversold an item and refunded my money and apologized saying item no longer for sale. This is on the largest online auction site in the world. So if that type of activity can't be prevented there you're for sure not going to prevent it here.

At best you can make public mention of it and call them out (outside their classified ad) to allow them to explain. Or make use of the feedback system.

No seller is obligated to sell in the same way no buyer is obligated to buy. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been told "I'll buy your item you have listed next week" or any variation of that sentence and 9 times out of 10 you never hear from them again and most times if you message them again they just ignore or say they changed their minds.

At the end of the day I'd say your best bet is to temper your expectations.

I suppose I agree. However, in scenarios like ours, I truly believe if I didn’t fully make attempts to make you whole in every single regard, I would or rather should no longer be allowed to buy or sell.

I get the lukewarm, tepid outreach of people wanting to buy in the future if it’s not a rock solid commitment. However, this cat had a legit For Sale, and received a legit I will take it all. Without a solid reason for his decision making, not sure why they’d continue to sell or buy. Guess that’s where feedback comes in. Spose I’ll give time for rebuttal via PM, and if not will leave objective feedback.

(For what it’s worth @FordPickup92, Ben knew I was already getting y’all what you had to have).

 

[FordPickup92]

I suppose I agree. However, in scenarios like ours, I truly believe if I didn’t fully make attempts to make you whole in every single regard, I would or rather should no longer be allowed to buy or sell.

I get the lukewarm, tepid outreach of people wanting to buy in the future if it’s not a rock solid commitment. However, this cat had a legit For Sale, and received a legit I will take it all. Without a solid reason for his decision making, not sure why they’d continue to sell or buy. Guess that’s where feedback comes in. Spose I’ll give time for rebuttal via PM, and if not will leave objective feedback.

(For what it’s worth @FordPickup92, Ben knew I was already getting y’all what you had to have).

When I told him you were interested he questioned your name like he had no idea who you were

 

[BarrieJ3]

When I told him you were interested he questioned your name like he had no idea who you were

I’d give benefit of the doubt on something like that. Maybe there were a lot of PMs and hadn’t connected dots yet. But pretty hard to miss or forget the first public I’ll take it, followed by PM message of I’ll take it all at whatever cost and get people what they want with screenshotted proof. Gonna let it go, pull back on future bidding, give time for rebuttal and leave feedback.

 

[Hornet]

I don’t disagree with anything you are saying, but I think part of the problem here is that seller only said “make an offer” and did not include a price. It seems like seller only placed the ad to gauge interest, because when people (including me) responded with offers, he decided to list in a different way to maximize his proceeds. If there isn’t a rule against this behavior, there should be.

 

[Hornet]

I think what he did actually violates the guideline below. But I guess there’s no remedy.

• No "Interest Only - Not For Sale Yet" type ads in the classifieds.

 

[FordPickup92]

i don’t disagree with anything you are saying, but I think part of the problem here is that seller only said “make an offer” and did not include a price. It seems like seller only placed the ad to gauge interest, because when people (including me) responded with offers, he decided to list in a different way to maximize his proceeds. If there isn’t a rule against this behavior, there should be.

Interesting point here

 

[BGinGA]

The easy fix is simply to not allow 'make offer' sales threads..... because they really aren't sales threads.

 

[WedgeRock]

I’ve now been a part of quite a few sales over the past couple months where pretty immediately I publicly state I’ll take em at asking to find out I was outdibbed via pm.

That's bullshit.

If chips are offered at $x and you agree to buy them at that price, you should not lose the chips because you were outbid. Maybe because somebody PMed quicker than your post, but not because you were outbid.

 

[BarrieJ3]

That's bullshit.

If chips are offered at $x and you agree to buy them at that price, you should not lose the chips because you were outbid. Maybe because somebody PMed quicker than your post, but not because you were outbid.

To be totally fair to him and transparent, I had just said that I would take all samples, DBs, plaques, etc. at whatever the price he wanted was (since guidelines were not followed and he hadn’t posted a price). I said I understood if he found a buyer for every single chip/item that he would go that direction, but of course if he answered I probably would’ve taken the entire lot. Just disappointed to see every single one at auction now.

I don’t want him publicly lashed so maybe this has gone the wrong direction, was just hoping that maybe if this is considered wrong and unethical, maybe we could update the guidelines to include that all sales and purchases are made in good faith? Gives a bit more concrete info, as in my negative feedback for this particular case would be, “Seller does not act in good faith and has reneged on his own original posts”, instead of a subjective attack on character or the like.

 

[FordPickup92]

To be totally fair to him and transparent, I had just said that I would take all samples, DBs, plaques, etc. at whatever the price he wanted was (since guidelines were not followed and he hadn’t posted a price). I said I understood if he found a buyer for every single chip/item that he would go that direction, but of course if he answered I probably would’ve taken the entire lot. Just disappointed to see every single one at auction now.

I don’t want him publicly lashed so maybe this has gone the wrong direction, was just hoping that maybe if this is considered wrong and unethical, maybe we could update the guidelines to include that all sales and purchases are made in good faith? Gives a bit more concrete info, as in my negative feedback for this particular case would be, “Seller does not act in good faith and has reneged on his own original posts”, instead of a subjective attack on character or the like.

I told him I'd take the entire thing.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I told him I'd take the entire thing.

Well then we just wait for now and see whatsup. For all we know we’re a bunch of aholes who jumped the gun. More likely not. But who knows!

 

[BarrieJ3]

Got our answer. Apparently he reached out to a couple people and named his price but they didn’t like it (despite me knowing that some, at least one, did). Sad he didn’t reach out in any particular order. I also know for a fact that he gave pricing to some people and then reneged on that as well!

Posting for sale was a mistake on his behalf and he’d rather get fair market value instead.

Sooooo if everyone could sell me back the chips I’ve previously sold, I’m gonna go ahead and put them up for auction. Thanks!

Edit: forgot to mention it will be a two week auction, and if I don’t like the number it reaches, I’m pulling it down.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Last follow up. I have people reaching out to ask what this is in regards to so they can look at it and avoid if necessary. Since it’s been settled, it’s @spikeithard original lot for sale to gather offers. No big deal honestly, per him “I am looking to maximize my money like most do”. No hard feelings, best of luck to seller and buyers.

Food for thought, when I was MIA for a minute, I had multiple PCFers go to bat for me. And when I returned, I proved every single one them right, making good. Anyone here hear a pin drop? Nah? Cool. Maybe the French wine got me feeling good, but the community that feels loved loves you.

Can we get this closed by a mod? Feels like I’m on a soliloqui and just answering PMs at this point. Peace!

 

[spikeithard]

I've not been on here seriously in a few years now and I'm really out of the loop.
I hastily posted that original for sale without little sense of a system in place (very overwhelming) . And truly I did not really know the market value of much I was offering since I've been away from here so long.

I was advised an auction style offering was my best route by a vet on here.

I wish I did the auctions from the get go.
Sorry for any inconvenience from the lack of information (heck I made it 2 weeks for the auctions until I realized that's not really the game).
And this 'dibs' thing is pretty much news to me.

Chris