Possibly. I'm not defending the guy if that's what you think my point was. Clearly I'm seeking truth and obviously this guy was a zombie and it called for a headshot to be fatal. So why are they hiding facts? To not scare the masses?
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Cash Game Bizzzzzare angle at WYNN (1 Viewer)
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Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
This article has some footage of the incident from multiple angles
https://www.ktnv.com/news/crime/dramatic-video-shows-shooting-at-bellagio-hotel-casino
https://www.ktnv.com/news/crime/dramatic-video-shows-shooting-at-bellagio-hotel-casino
1A25R
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On the the media briefing the Ass. Chief Charles Hank said at 6:00 minutes " This was a robbery call.." so no 12 years girl lost in the valet area ?
Maybe a second set of ears would be useful ?
Maybe a second set of ears would be useful ?
APatHand
Straight
Good riddance to bad rubbish
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
Back to the angle....you think the same logic would apply to a one-chip-call? An opponent sees he is beat and then just racks up and ban is the only option casino has? Seems so crazy.
Yeah I agree it's still looney... basically if you got vacation in a state you never think you'll see again, why not do this? Double up once maybe twice even then if you lose just leave the casino forever and take your loot
not a federal crime unless its a lot of money so as long as you never go back in the state or at least never get pulled over/ID by cops you're home free
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
From the footage, the suspect ran around another car in the valet area. As the suspect rounded the back of the car, the closest officer in pursuit took the shot. Since the suspect was behind partial cover the center of mass was higher than the center of his chest.
Also, I have yet to see the police officer that is as calm in an active shootout as they are at the firing range. The cop did good, and deserves a commendation.
1A25R
Flush
it's point 6?
NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts. It is unlawful for any person:
1. To alter or misrepresent the outcome of a game or other event on which wagers have been made after the outcome is made sure but before it is revealed to the players.
2. To place, increase or decrease a bet or to determine the course of play after acquiring knowledge, not available to all players, of the outcome of the game or any event that affects the outcome of the game or which is the subject of the bet or to aid anyone in acquiring such knowledge for the purpose of placing, increasing or decreasing a bet or determining the course of play contingent upon that event or outcome.
3. To claim, collect or take, or attempt to claim, collect or take, money or anything of value in or from a gambling game, with intent to defraud, without having made a wager contingent thereon, or to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.
4. Knowingly to entice or induce another to go to any place where a gambling game is being conducted or operated in violation of the provisions of this chapter, with the intent that the other person play or participate in that gambling game.
5. To place or increase a bet after acquiring knowledge of the outcome of the game or other event which is the subject of the bet, including past-posting and pressing bets.
6. To reduce the amount wagered or cancel the bet after acquiring knowledge of the outcome of the game or other event which is the subject of the bet, including pinching bets.
7. To manipulate, with the intent to cheat, any component of a gaming device in a manner contrary to the designed and normal operational purpose for the component, including, but not limited to, varying the pull of the handle of a slot machine, with knowledge that the manipulation affects the outcome of the game or with knowledge of any event that affects the outcome of the game.
8. To offer, promise or give anything of value to anyone for the purpose of influencing the outcome of a race, sporting event, contest or game upon which a wager may be made, or to place, increase or decrease a wager after acquiring knowledge, not available to the general public, that anyone has been offered, promised or given anything of value for the purpose of influencing the outcome of the race, sporting event, contest or game upon which the wager is placed, increased or decreased.
9. To change or alter the normal outcome of any game played on an interactive gaming system or a mobile gaming system or the way in which the outcome is reported to any participant in the game
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NRS 465.088 Penalties for violation of NRS 465.070 to 465.086, inclusive.
1. A person who violates any provision of NRS 465.070 to 465.086, inclusive, is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished:
(a) For the first offense, by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 6 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.
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https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-465.html
NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts. It is unlawful for any person:
1. To alter or misrepresent the outcome of a game or other event on which wagers have been made after the outcome is made sure but before it is revealed to the players.
2. To place, increase or decrease a bet or to determine the course of play after acquiring knowledge, not available to all players, of the outcome of the game or any event that affects the outcome of the game or which is the subject of the bet or to aid anyone in acquiring such knowledge for the purpose of placing, increasing or decreasing a bet or determining the course of play contingent upon that event or outcome.
3. To claim, collect or take, or attempt to claim, collect or take, money or anything of value in or from a gambling game, with intent to defraud, without having made a wager contingent thereon, or to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.
4. Knowingly to entice or induce another to go to any place where a gambling game is being conducted or operated in violation of the provisions of this chapter, with the intent that the other person play or participate in that gambling game.
5. To place or increase a bet after acquiring knowledge of the outcome of the game or other event which is the subject of the bet, including past-posting and pressing bets.
6. To reduce the amount wagered or cancel the bet after acquiring knowledge of the outcome of the game or other event which is the subject of the bet, including pinching bets.
7. To manipulate, with the intent to cheat, any component of a gaming device in a manner contrary to the designed and normal operational purpose for the component, including, but not limited to, varying the pull of the handle of a slot machine, with knowledge that the manipulation affects the outcome of the game or with knowledge of any event that affects the outcome of the game.
8. To offer, promise or give anything of value to anyone for the purpose of influencing the outcome of a race, sporting event, contest or game upon which a wager may be made, or to place, increase or decrease a wager after acquiring knowledge, not available to the general public, that anyone has been offered, promised or given anything of value for the purpose of influencing the outcome of the race, sporting event, contest or game upon which the wager is placed, increased or decreased.
9. To change or alter the normal outcome of any game played on an interactive gaming system or a mobile gaming system or the way in which the outcome is reported to any participant in the game
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NRS 465.088 Penalties for violation of NRS 465.070 to 465.086, inclusive.
1. A person who violates any provision of NRS 465.070 to 465.086, inclusive, is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished:
(a) For the first offense, by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 6 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.
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source
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-465.html
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davin
4 of a Kind
I was playing 2/5 at Bellagio with stack of 900 roughly...
In the hand I made the nuts on the turn and it held to be the nutz on river... the pot was about 400 and it was on me to act and I Thru out a hundo chip and announced all in, the next guy to act which was the only one in the hand HU had head phones on which I didn’t really pay attention to till the end, so what happen was before the dealer could throw the all in button out the dude threw his one black chip out as if it was a call, which it was not it was a all in!!! The dealer littlerally thru the button the same time as his chip, the dealer and table all heard the all in and he had to pay me off..... my lesson is don’t use earphones at a table!!!!
In the hand I made the nuts on the turn and it held to be the nutz on river... the pot was about 400 and it was on me to act and I Thru out a hundo chip and announced all in, the next guy to act which was the only one in the hand HU had head phones on which I didn’t really pay attention to till the end, so what happen was before the dealer could throw the all in button out the dude threw his one black chip out as if it was a call, which it was not it was a all in!!! The dealer littlerally thru the button the same time as his chip, the dealer and table all heard the all in and he had to pay me off..... my lesson is don’t use earphones at a table!!!!
Yeah #6 however I'm guessing the guy just ends up facing some small fine and will get taken to civil court if he doesn't pay the guy.
posnera
Sitting Out
To the best of my understanding, those laws apply to bets made “against” the house, not necessarily to a poker game.
So some guy refuses to give me the chips he owes me and starts taking them off the table. I ask the dealer and the floor to stop him and they refuse. Am I allowed to physically stop him now? Will the casino security stop me from defending myself from a robbery?
Think about it as if someone was keying your (uninsured let’s say) car on casino property. Casino security wouldn’t be responsible for stoping that person and if you hit the guy with a bat, you’d be charged with assault along with them being charged for keying your car.
I think that's different (although I don't know for sure) but if someone is robbing you, I believe you have the right to defend yourself with physical force.
True car keying isn't a great example... I'm no lawyer (bird law!) but I'm guessing you can try to stop them with minimal harm to them and if they escalate you can meet their escalation in a generally equal way as self defense. That being said, casino security will probably toss you both since they don't want people fighting in their casino and since it's not their money they won't care about the he said she said. Unless you end up with the chips before you get pulled away (and who knows even then) I'm guessing the assholes still walking out with them and you have to go through the police/civil court to reclaim it.
I guess we'll just need a half dozen volunteers to try this stuff out to know for sure. Whose in? 
remember to have a body cam going !Ya I'm in let's just go grab stacks of chips from players sitting there. Since the casino can't do anything but cash us out
Frogzilla
Straight Flush
I think you’d be potentially liable for assault/robbery by physically taking the chips. It’s an important distinction between “things that belong to you” and “things that should be given to you.” Until the dealer awards you the chips, it seems it’s not your property yet.
Less severe example which makes the point: Player on your left announces calls of a non all-in bet and you win. You are not allowed to just grab it out of his stack yourself. Dealer needs to do it and then award you the pot
Cashier, "how was your time with us this evening?"
Me, "was ok, the people here are huge fish, I made $4k in 3 minutes. I'll be back next week."
Cashier "sorry security says you won't be able to come back, but we can offer you a steak dinner with us tonight if you would like."
Me, "was ok, the people here are huge fish, I made $4k in 3 minutes. I'll be back next week."
Cashier "sorry security says you won't be able to come back, but we can offer you a steak dinner with us tonight if you would like."
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davin
4 of a Kind
Did u hear the guy that robbed the bellagio was the same guy that robbed them in 2017, why would you try that stunt again
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davin
4 of a Kind
Mint paulsons just as bad
I would pay money to hear someone explain they were never looking to return the chips for cash and just wanted to use them in their home poker game
Forget stealing other peoples’ chips, why would anyone agree with a floor ruling that isn’t in their favor? If the floor doesn’t have the power to award a pot, then what’s the point in them being there at all?
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
Yeah for all we know the pit boss or w/e got an earful for not stoping the guy or got patted on the back for not stepping in. Who knows but are enough people not going to play at the Wynn now for them to even notice? No
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