Cash Game Running out of cards in drawmaha (1 Viewer)

[smsguy927]

I deal for a group that likes to play 7 handed limit drawmaha, 3 card max with the one open rule. I usually run out of cards and have to reshuffle.
Should the last card in the deck be used to complete the draw? What about using the last card for the turn or river?
Should I keep preflop folds separate from postflop folds?
If a reshuffle is needed, what cards should be used? Preflop folds? Postflop folds? Burn cards? Other players' discards?
Should I count the number of cards needed to determine what should be used in the reshuffle?
I have done various things in the past depending on who is playing.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Standard procedure when I was a dealer was to use every card in the stub first, then if you run out, you "shuffle" the burn cards and use one of those for the turn or river. If you still don't have enough, then you take all cards no longer in play together with the burns and shuffle those.

 

[inca911]

Draw2maha is my preferred solution. It's a much better game, and is likely to solve your card issue most of the time when played 7-handed.

If you limit tables to 8 player max, Dramaha is best played Draw2maha (i.e., draw 2 card maximum), with no burns and the dealer sitting out the rotation (i.e., unless the table is 7 or fewer players). I think this is the best Draw2maha dealing method, from the previous meet-up discussions that have occurred with @@BGinGA and others. It is also applicable to Drawmaha with a more than 2 card draw.

• (7 players * 5 cards = 35 cards) + (7 players drawing 2 max = 14 cards) + (5 community cards = 54 cards). In the event that the stub will run out of cards for the final drawing player(s), the last two "virgin" cards of the stub are carefully reserved (in order) by the dealer as the future turn and river. The discards of the final player(s) still to draw are excluded from the muck to rebuild the stub (i.e., so the final player(s) cannot draw their own discards) and the muck is shuffled into a new stub for the remaining draw(s). The reserved "virgin" turn and river are placed in order back on top of the new stub after the final draw is done, and the last draw discards are placed on the bottom of the new stub. With 7 handed Draw2maha, you will rarely encounter the situation where you run out of cards.
• When playing with more players, I typically segregate pre-flop folds into a different pile and use those first, as they are least likely to have connected with the board in some fashion. It requires more maintenance on the part of the dealer, but it is the best solution since using the discards of players in the hands provides a large disadvantage to the last drawing player(s).

 

[ChaosRock]

What @RainmanTrail said.

But I would personally go a few steps further. One, always make everyone declare their draw before dealing the cards, so the dealer knows if he/she has enough in the stub. It is not fair someone gets the draw from the stub and someone from re-shuffled cards. Two, and this is more relevant to multiple draw games rather than drawmaha, I use a priority list to complete the draws if not enough of the stub is sufficient. First go the burnt cards. Then the folded hands. Never the draws. And those are shuffled together with the rest of the stub if it's not sufficient for the draws. Three, some people suggest not burning any cards. I don't like this option personally but I understand why they might favor that option.

But as Forrest said, Draw2maha solves most of this issue and imo, doesn't change the game dramatically. Some might disagree there.

 

[detroitdad]

Draw2maha is my preferred solution

Same here. Last week we only had 6 players at our table. I think @Sprouty called Dramaha. I scooped two hands and chopped the other 5 (dealer +1). I think I'm changing my opinion which version I like better

 

[Jimulacrum]

Gotta go Draw2maha for 7-handed. It's true that you can reuse folded hands and discards if necessary, but it's better to set things up so that it's only rarely a consideration.

I've never actually used that "virgin turn and river" business that @inca911 describes, but it does make sense to do it that way; it could get messy if people know that the turn and river will come from discards that they already saw.

 

[Jambine]

Standard procedure when I was a dealer was to use every card in the stub first, then if you run out, you "shuffle" the burn cards and use one of those for the turn or river. If you still don't have enough, then you take all cards no longer in play together with the burns and shuffle those.

^That^
But yes, Draw2maha is the best way to go

 

[smsguy927]

Thank you everyone for your replies. @ChaosRock I use a priority list too, but have used the folds before the burns. I will switch. In multi draw games, I will start using the burns as well then replace them to keep track of the current draw. @inca911 I may try to separate the preflop and post flop folds when possible. @RainmanTrail I like your way because it is the simplest and I will probably use it when I hold a drawmaha tournament. In all cases, I will not use other players' discards unless absolutely necessary. The last part seems to happen more frequently on the first draw of Archie, where they do not limit the draws.