CPC Move Updates (117 Viewers)

[LeGold]

I am curious what the new price will be.. How much of a spike $$?

 

[ekricket]

If we get eight running molds at the same time then the wait times should go down…

Especially if you have enough people to run shifts. But mo people = mo money.

Also mo people = mo variance in product

Look at some of the molds. The FDL pictured has four missing cups. That hurts efficiency a lot.

 

[GamingWithChips]

I haven't yet ordered a CPC set, is this mid process? The edges look messier than I expected with that line in the middle, maybe that just goes away with play? Thanks for any clarification. Mold itself looks great.

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Clay chips with mold injections and flashing?? Are they trying to imitate my beautiful plastic slugs?!

edit: this is obviously a troll post...

 

[paraDoxl]

Look at some of the molds. The FDL pictured has four missing cups. That hurts efficiency a lot.

I suppose this could also just be something in progress, some of the cups might have been a) not added to the press yet or b) already been removed from it.

Not sure how the press works though, so might also be a wrong assumption on my side.

 

[dennis63]

If we get eight running molds at the same time then the wait times should go down…

When I visited Classic in Las Vegas, they had two machines. They had lots of molds, including old house molds and molds with designs I had never seen before.

I only saw two machines, and I saw the whole factory floor. I understood that they kept the A mold in one machine and rotated molds on the second machine. (Explains the long wait.)

I have seen posts here on PCF claiming they have "three," and "four" machines. This is the first time I have seen someone post that they have eight.

I'm actually wishing they do, but I only saw two.

 

[BigGrizz]

Why is the A mold so favored? CSQ seems to be their most popular / quinessential mold.

 

[JMC9389]

Why is the A mold so favored? CSQ seems to be their most popular / quinessential mold.

I would not say it was favored, as much as it was the least worn down mold they have.

I'm convinced that A mold perpetually being installed was a sales tactic more than anything. Freeing up the second press will allow for shorter turn around times for the other molds if two machines are rotating molds in and out instead of only one.

 

[raynmanas]

Why is the A mold so favored? CSQ seems to be their most popular / quinessential mold.

CSQ is extremely worn out - it is/was a textured mold, but most new chips made from it barely have any texture.

I would not say it was favored, as much as it was the least worn down mold they have.

I'm convinced that A mold perpetually being installed was a sales tactic more than anything. Freeing up the second press will allow for shorter turn around times for the other molds if two machines are rotating molds in and out instead of only one.

Agreed in principle. I think A‑mold ends up being the "standard" because it’s the least worn mold and the easiest for them to run, so it gives them something to offer better pricing and fast turnarounds on. How the new owner chooses to handle that aspect will be interesting to see.

 

[BigGrizz]

Ouch. Do we know the wear status of each mold? I know DSQ and H are really rough, but I didn't know CSQ was in bad shape.

 

[JMC9389]

CSQ is extremely worn out.

The price per chip is directly correlated with how worn down the mold is and how many "rejects" each run of a chip makes.

I forget the numbers, but David said that there was an exorbitant number of rejects with more well worn molds like DSQ, Large Crown, et al as opposed to A mold, for example. Something like 20 or 30 "rejects" for every 100 chips made on the high end, with 2 or 3 per 100 on the low end.

More material needed to fulfill the order=higher price.

 

[ekricket]

When I visited Classic in Las Vegas, they had two machines. They had lots of molds, including old house molds and molds with designs I had never seen before.

I only saw two machines, and I saw the whole factory floor. I understood that they kept the A mold in one machine and rotated molds on the second machine. (Explains the long wait.)

I have seen posts here on PCF claiming they have "three," and "four" machines. This is the first time I have seen someone post that they have eight.

I'm actually wishing they do, but I only saw two.

There is a picture in the very first post.

 

[BigGrizz]

I honestly have no clue what Im looking at in that picture. Lol

 

[Frode789]

The price per chip is directly correlated with how worn down the mold is and how many "rejects" each run of a chip makes.

I forget the numbers, but David said that there was an exorbitant number of rejects with more well worn molds like DSQ, Large Crown, et al as opposed to A mold, for example. Something like 20 or 30 "rejects" for every 100 chips made on the high end, with 2 or 3 per 100 on the low end.

More material needed to fulfill the order=higher price.

That's unfortunate. DSQ, Crown and CSQ are the best ones.

Since they haven't changed them, I assume that's because it costs way too much? (even though they would have less rejects, so less time and waste to produce sets with that mold).

 

[BigGrizz]

I saw David say it would take like $60k to redo a mold.

 

[suchj0sh]

That's unfortunate. DSQ, Crown and CSQ are the best ones.

Since they haven't changed them, I assume that's because it costs way too much? (even though they would have less rejects, so less time and waste to produce sets with that mold).

Some will tell you it costs a million dollars !

 

[FestiveKnight]

I honestly have no clue what Im looking at in that picture. Lol

Thar be 8 presses in them there photo

 

[JMC9389]

That's unfortunate. DSQ, Crown and CSQ are the best ones.

Since they haven't changed them, I assume that's because it costs way too much? (even though they would have less rejects, so less time and waste to produce sets with that mold).

That's the reason we were given, at least.

 

[acezag]

That's the reason we were given, at least.

I believe I've seen at least a few threads from the old ASM days that suggest the craft / knowledge of creating these has also been lost. Some of the old molds still in use are like 100 years old or more now.

 

[BigGrizz]

I kinda doubt that. It would just be steel casting. Things are steel casted all the time. Its just expensive.

 

[raynmanas]

There is a picture in the very first post.

Thar be 8 presses in them there photo

i count 10, but some of those are probably just for blanks - it is possible that only 2 are actually doing the final mold stamping. but i sadly never got my tour of the chocolate factory

 

[smashed_potato]

Anyway have any ballpark as to how many chips CPC used to crank out a week under Spragg?

50,000/yr is two 500 piece sets a week, got to think it’s more than that?
Average chip prices $6.50?

Rejection rate average? 10 per rack out the door?

A new mold at $100,000?

Full time employees? 3? $55k-$60k/yr?

Long game investment but it’s got to start making sense year 3-5 if you are cranking out quality chips reliably, no?

*** I have no idea what I’m talking about btw***

 

[BigGrizz]

I think David was also operating on a very tight financial plan. Plus if he knew he wouldn't own the place in 5-10 years, he wouldn't ever see the profit of replacing a mold.

 

[maxim_666666]

I haven't yet ordered a CPC set, is this mid process? The edges look messier than I expected with that line in the middle, maybe that just goes away with play? Thanks for any clarification. Mold itself looks great.

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These edges are processed on centerless grinding machines by all companies.
No one uses a lathe.

 

[acezag]

Long game investment but it’s got to start making sense year 3-5 if you are cranking out quality chips reliably, no?

*** I have no idea what I’m talking about btw***

How a business is paid for makes all the difference in the timeline.

SBA loans often have a 10-year schedule and can be for a majority of the sale price. With current interest rates, it doesn't take a huge loan for payments to be sizable.

Not a lot of runway for businesses that depend on conventional financing right now.

 

[BigGrizz]

Ya, if CPC Mike took out a loan for tge business, don't expect a lot of new hardware stuff for the next 10 years.

 

[smashed_potato]

maybe we can crowd fund a new mold

We the community own the mold and lease it out on retainer…

I’m sure PCF could come to a civil agreement on mold design. Just need 250 people chip in 400 bucks, problem solved.

 

[raynmanas]

I’m sure PCF could come to a civil agreement

 

[chipinla]

the craft / knowledge of creating these has also been lost

 

[woodsy]

maybe we can crowd fund a new mold

Van Halen mold?

 

[ekricket]

I saw David say it would take like $60k to redo a mold.

Each plate has 20 or 25 cups in it.

Whatever you think a single cup out of hardened steel or some other high strength alloy costs, multiply by 20. Then double it for the plate itself, the fittings, drillling, and tapping. Thats ballpark for a new one.

Theoretically you can replace a few cups at a time. Ain’t nobody got time for that.