Chip distribution Cashgame- Mini Tina Group buy (2 Viewers)

[Timportant19]

Yeah yeah, I know… another chip distribution question

But this is one I can’t really find a perfect answer to, and I’m a bit stuck on it.

I want to organize a Tina Mini group buy. I co-host a game with two others, and we rotate locations, basically whoever feels like hosting or whatever works best.

We play €0.50/€0.50 (used to be €0.25/€0.50) with an initial buy-in of €50. After that, it’s match the stack. So it’s not unusual for 3/4K to be on the table, meaning the set needs to comfortably cover that.

We effectively need three sets, and I’d like to keep it to a maximum of 500 chips per set.
So what would be the most logical chip breakdown?

• 120 × 0.5
• 150 × 1
• 150 × 5
• 50 × 25
• 30 × 100

But this still doesn’t feel quite right, I’m not sure if it’s enough or properly balanced.

*Edit: Averages around 8 players.
Sometimes 9, rarely 10 and sometimes 6-7.

 

[Rakrul]

If the total amount on your table varies from e.g. €400 to €4000 you probably should increase stakes or your recuitment might be tough. As a fish, I would certainly not enjoy playing a €.50/€.50 game where the avg. stack is 500-800bb, but I hate match the stack so I'm going off-topic.

You don't mention number of players so I assume 1 table, meaning 8-10 players. Looking at the amounts on the table here, I would think you need more higher denoms. Considering the amount on the table and the 500-chip limit, you'd do yourself a massiva favor by changing the limit to €1/€1 and I can't imagine your players objecting to that. Then you can do something like this;
200 x 1
160 x 5
100 x 25
40 x 100
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Total bank: €7.500,-. This might seem excessive but considering that you're in reality playing many different stakes during the night this gives you the flexibility of not having people counting up 30 chips to make a turn bet. You also want enough of the small chips for the start of the night so there's no time spent on people changing chips all the time.

Start stack;
20 x 1
16 x 5

Rebuys:
Spend all the 25-chips before adding the 100-chip regardless of much they rebuy. The fewer denoms you have on the table, the better (for practical reasons,not PCF-reasons).

 

[SwissChip]

You could order 2000 chips (two full boxes)
I guess shipping would not cost more than for 1500 chips. (?)

300 x .50
600 x 1
800 x 5
250 x 25
50 x 100

All three sets would cover 5k+ each.

 

[Timportant19]

If the total amount on your table varies from e.g. €400 to €4000 you probably should increase stakes or your recuitment might be tough. As a fish, I would certainly not enjoy playing a €.50/€.50 game where the avg. stack is 500-800bb, but I hate match the stack so I'm going off-topic.

Average stack isn't between 500-800bb. But it happens that it plays big and some stacks gets to that much BB's.

Also, edited; we usually play around 8-handed.
Also; the 0.5/0.5 blinds are a must, upping the stakes to 1/1 will for sure not be good for the game and scare a lot of people out.
And yes, we want a lot of the small chips for the start of the night. That is usually my main concern. Hence my main set having 200 of the lowest denom.
But I want it to be 500 chips max because it has been a lot of trouble to get the other two hosts to pull the trigger already

 

[Timportant19]

You could order 2000 chips (two full boxes)
I guess shipping would not cost more than for 1500 chips. (?)

300 x .50
600 x 1
800 x 5
250 x 25
50 x 100

All three sets would cover 5k+ each.

Might just be the best solution in that case. Will see if I get it through.
I forgot, will there be duty/import fees from china to EU?

 

[SwissChip]

I don‘t know for EU.
Sure - fees are everywhere…

 

[Rakrul]

EU doesn't have duty/tariff on China (except EVs) but you have to pay whatever sales tax there is. You can mitigate this by asking Tina to set the salesprice on the proforma invoice to $50 or something.

 

[GetUrShineBox]

Kind of tough to do 4 different denominations with only 500 chips. If I were you I buy extras for them and keep them at your place then as the months go by and the other hosts/players realize your chip breakdown is better they will give you the money for them.
The minimum I’d do is this 600 chip set.
100 - .50
150 - 1
250 - 5’s
75 - 25’s
25 - 100’s

For them just reduce the 1’s and 5’s by 50 each.

(Remember you have to order Tina chips in increments of 25)

 

[Rakrul]

[...]
(Remember you have to order Tina chips in increments of 25)

Oh, good point. I had completely forgot about that.

 

[Timportant19]

Kind of tough to do 4 different denominations with only 500 chips. If I were you I buy extras for them and keep them at your place then as the months go by and the other hosts/players realize your chip breakdown is better they will give you the money for them.
The minimum I’d do is this 600 chip set.
100 - .50
150 - 1
250 - 5’s
75 - 25’s
25 - 100’s

For them just reduce the 1’s and 5’s by 50 each.

(Remember you have to order Tina chips in increments of 25)

600 might be best, yes. Thanks!

 

[QuietMaple]

You definitely don't need more than 100 fracs. I usually recommend more, but in a set with a 50c chip and a $1 chip, you don't because any bet will only ever use one frac at most.

I don't think you need 600 chips either. You can make this work with 500. And let's say your target bank is $5000. I think 150x of $1 and the $5 chips is correct to leave enough headroom to fill out your bank.

Your initial breakdown isn't bad but it doesn't account for the fact that you need to buy chips in quantities of 25 from Tina. Here are couple other options you could consider:

• Version 1 is closest to what you suggested.
• Version 2 gives you a little more total bank.
• Version 3 is a "sweet spot" between the two, and takes into account the fact that for the $25 chips, you can split 175 chips between the three of you, and for the $100 chips you can split 125 chips between the three of you (one of you will have 41x$25 and 59x$100, the other two will have 42x$25 and 58x$100). (but V1 is best if a bank of $5325 seems large enough for your game)

 

[upNdown]

120 fracs seems like way too many, for a .50/.50 game - I'd cut that in half.

60
160
200
50
30

 

[MarlbOlo]

Lately I was also thinking about my cash game design, I’m finishing my 1st set and what comes to fracs… I wouldn’t really need them as we play .50/1$, we can do this 1/1$, but I like the fracs and they give you the flexibility to make 2.5BB bet etc. But as @upNdown said, if they’re used mainly to cover blinds, I think that 80 (which gives ~10 chips per player) for your games would be enough.

Personally I have

200 - 1$
200 - 5$
50 - 25$
20 - 100$

Need to get some fracs but as we play 1$ BB games mainly and maybe sometimes would play .50/.50, I would definitely go with 60 for mostly 6-handed games. I know that there’s that 100 amount in every breakdown, but that came to my mind after playing few games looking what breakdown would be best for me.

Ofc. if you just want to grab a rack of fracs because you want so, just do it!

 

[drgg]

I would just move it up to 1/1 if theres that much on the table so you dont have to worry about .5 chips

 

[warewulf]

I like this breakdown for cash games:

100 X .50
200 X $1
300 X $5
80 X $25
20 X $100

If you shrink that to 500 per person, maybe:

60 X .50
180 X $1
200 X $5
40 X $25
20 X $100