Tourney 500 IQ, skip the T1s (1 Viewer)

[MC_CPA]

Usually on Mondays I run a 40~50 player T1 tourney starting at 500 starting stack (10/8/10/2), that finishes in ~3hrs.

Rather than having levels with 1s I had the 500IQ idea to just start at 5/5 for two levels and 5/10 for two levels. Its the same as 1/3, 2/5, 4/8, 5/10.

Also saves on change making for the ppl that put in 8 instead of calling with two red chips, and now I dont have to color up 1s. And the rest of the tournament plays the same.

5/5 instead of 1/3
5/5 instead of 2/5
5/10 instead of 3/8
5/10 instead of 5/10
5/15 instead of 6/12 or 8/16
10/20

Since I'm hauling these chips it also means I save on 8 chips per person (2 extra reds, but no half barrel of T1).

Am I missing something, was this not a 500IQ change?

 

[Rakrul]

Even better, leave it at 5/5 and play cash game instead.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Usually on Mondays I run a 40~50 player T1 tourney starting at 500 chips, that finishes in ~3hrs.

Rather than having levels with 1s I had the 500IQ idea to just start at 5/5 for two levels and 5/10 for two levels. Its the same as 1/3, 2/5, 4/8, 5/10.

Also saves on change making for the ppl that put in 8 instead of calling with two red chips, and now I dont have to color up 1s. And the rest of the tournament plays the same.

5/5 instead of 1/3
5/5 instead of 2/5
5/10 instead of 3/8
5/10 instead of 5/10
5/15 instead of 6/12 or 8/16
10/20

Since I'm hauling these chips it also means I save on 8 chips per person (2 extra reds, but no half barrel of T1).

Am I missing something, was this not a 500IQ change?

Wait till you play a t500 base tourney

 

[QuietMaple]

I'm by no means an expert, but the way I see it, you're basically condensing the first four levels into two, but making them twice as long. Same total amount of time, but with less frequent jumps. This seems more-or-less equivalent to me, although the blind pressure will be a little higher for the first two rounds.

 

[Rakrul]

To answer a bit more serious, it has a theoretical impact. Instead of starting with 166bb they start with 100bb which should limit the hands you play and how you play them. I know squat about tournament strategy but this early in the tournament it can't be that different from cash. Level 5 avg stack is 33bb instead of 41bb (assuming no bust outs). Also having the same size for sb and bb means that button should attack the blinds more often (since there's more in the pot) and sb must defend and probably squeeze more and bb has to defend more as well (since btn's range is wider). On the 5-15 levels it becomes the oposite for sb.

The shorter the stack the more linear/merged you (should) play but as tournaments are usually played with avg. stack <40bb anyways I don't think it would matter too much here. In theory with the new levels they should play the 6 first levels tighter than with the previous structure but they should also steal blinds more often (due to sb=bb) so it might push the action, meaning you might see more eliminations sooner (or at least more all-ins).

Whether the players knows and actually adapts to it, or even cares, is a different discussion and I guess there's just one way to find out.

 

[Preditor]

Even better, leave it at 5/5 and play cash game instead.

Pet peeve and off topic... but man I hate replies like this.

I know it is meant in good jest and I am not trying to be a scrooge. But I get a reply like this seemingly every time I post a tourney question, and it is annoying as hell to pose a question, see a notification for a reply, and it's just someone replying "Play cash!"

ESPECIALLY when there are clear TOURNEY and CASH sub categories on this forum.

Again, I know it is in good jest and I recognize you answered his question seriously later. But it happens a lot I had to vent it lol.

 

[MC_CPA]

To answer a bit more serious, it has a theoretical impact. Instead of starting with 166bb they start with 100bb which should limit the hands you play and how you play them. I know squat about tournament strategy but this early in the tournament it can't be that different from cash. Level 5 avg stack is 33bb instead of 41bb (assuming no bust outs). Also having the same size for sb and bb means that button should attack the blinds more often (since there's more in the pot) and sb must defend and probably squeeze more and bb has to defend more as well (since btn's range is wider). On the 5-15 levels it becomes the oposite for sb.

Thanks! To me IMO thats just 10 hands per level give or take so its acceptable.

 

[Oryx]

Usually on Mondays I run a 40~50 player T1 tourney starting at 500 starting stack (10/8/10/2), that finishes in ~3hrs.

Rather than having levels with 1s I had the 500IQ idea to just start at 5/5 for two levels and 5/10 for two levels. Its the same as 1/3, 2/5, 4/8, 5/10.

Also saves on change making for the ppl that put in 8 instead of calling with two red chips, and now I dont have to color up 1s. And the rest of the tournament plays the same.

5/5 instead of 1/3
5/5 instead of 2/5
5/10 instead of 3/8
5/10 instead of 5/10
5/15 instead of 6/12 or 8/16
10/20

Since I'm hauling these chips it also means I save on 8 chips per person (2 extra reds, but no half barrel of T1).

Am I missing something, was this not a 500IQ change?

Would you recommend something like this for a 1 or 2 table tournament? I get how this can help especially chip counts at the numbers you're hosting. Wondering how this would impact a smaller sized group.

 

[MC_CPA]

Would you recommend something like this for a 1 or 2 table tournament? I get how this can help especially chip counts at the numbers you're hosting. Wondering how this would impact a smaller sized group.

No, bcuz with only one to two tabes the colorup is quick, so T1 is okay. Especially if u r hosting at ur house instead of somewhere u need to carry the chips. With four or more tables of ten it us tough.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I understand your point. I hope you understand mine...

Spoiler: The better point

T1s = MOAR CHIPS!

 

[Oryx]

I understand your point. I hope you understand mine...

Spoiler: The better point

T1s = MOAR CHIPS!

The man makes an excellent point though

 

[JustinInMN]

/5 instead of 1/3
5/5 instead of 2/5
5/10 instead of 3/8
5/10 instead of 5/10
5/15 instead of 6/12 or 8/16
10/20

So in terms of big blinds, the t1 blind levels are as follows for a t500 starting stack.

166bb,100,62,50

So without meshing levels, if you instead doubled your starting stack (t1000, say 10/10/7 of t5/25/100) and just started blinds at 5-5, 5-10, 5-15, 10-20 the blind progression would be similar 200bb, 100bb, 66bb, 50bb after 4 levels.

Just another thought on approaching the first 4 levels instead of having a major adjustment in level length.

 

[MC_CPA]

So without meshing levels, if you instead doubled your starting stack (t1000, say 10/10/7 of t5/25/100) and just started blinds at 5-5, 5-10, 5-15, 10-20 the blind progression would be similar 200bb, 100bb, 66bb, 50bb after 4 levels.

So I have to buy 5 extra tiger chips for each of my 40 guests lol

 

[JustinInMN]

So I have to buy 5 extra tiger chips for each of my 40 guests lol

Oooooh-kay. So yeah I guess my suggestion doesn't make sense if the set is set so to speak. (And yes, I picked up the brag here, nice choice . )

That said, you are effectively trying to remove 4 racks of tiger goodness .