Tourney T100 base freezeout - blind structure advise (2 Viewers)

[rrobyrrroby]

Final of our poker league, next Saturday.
9 players, freezeout.
T100 base, T20k starting stack + bonus chips.
Average chips per player is ~40k.
Something to change in this blinds structure?

 

[TheRealStephen12]

I would:
Change all levels to the same amount of time (probably 20 minutes).
Add a 100/300/300 level.
Drop the 700/1400/1400 level.

And either:

1.
Add a 200/500/500 level
Add a 1K/2.5K/2.5K level

OR

2.
Drop the 500/1K/1K level
Drop the 2.5K/5K/5K level

 

[JustinInMN]

+1 on all of @TheRealStephen12 's suggestions.

 

[Defarse]

Add 200/300/300...........and yes, make the small blind 200, not 100.

Skip 100/100/100 and start 100/200/200...........400bb is just way too big.

Could add 300/500/500.

Remove 700/1400/1400 and 800/1600/1600 and just add 1000/1500/1500.

Could add 1500/2500/2500.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Add 200/300/300...........and yes, make the small blind 200, not 100.


Could add 300/500/500.

Remove 700/1400/1400 and 800/1600/1600 and just add 1000/1500/1500.

Could add 1500/2500/2500.

You want to round down small blinds when possible to make increases slightly more uniform. That’s why 100/200/200, 100/300/300, 200/400/500is better than 100/200/200, 200/300/300, 200/400/400, because increases are 40% and 43% rather than 60% and 25%.

 

[BKisback]

Most of the adjustments being suggested are minor preferences, all with merit. I like ditching 700-1400 and adding 1200-2400, but it's mostly fine. I too would not want different level timing.

 

[Defarse]

You want to round down small blinds when possible

Not with BBA. All modern tournaments with BBA are 200/300/300. But I guess use 100/300/300 if you want a nittier game.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Not with BBA. All modern tournaments with BBA are 200/300/300. But I guess use 100/300/300 if you want a nittier game.

In the US, but not globally. It’s just a bit of extra unnecessary imbalance which can be easily avoided in a home game.

 

[BGinGA]

^^ Just because a for-profit casino business chooses to use a 200/300/300 level does not mean it the best choice for EVERY tournament, especially one that is non-profit or in a home game environment.

 

[justsomedude]

Most of the adjustments being suggested are minor preferences, all with merit. I like ditching 700-1400 and adding 1200-2400, but it's mostly fine. I too would not want different level timing.

Shortening level durations isn't the end of the world, especially as you get to fewer players in the tournament.

When you're 3, 4, and 5-handed, you're going to see about the same # of hands per level at 15 minutes, as you would 9-handed at 20 minutes. Perhaps even more. Things just move faster at that point (less talk, less tanking, less BS between deals, more efficiency, etc.), especially if someone who busted is hanging around being a dedicated dealer.

 

[Defarse]

^^ Just because a for-profit casino business chooses to use a 200/300/300 level does not mean it the best choice for EVERY tournament, especially one that is non-profit or in a home game environment.

Because 1/3 of one big blind is enough to warrant a change of a standard blind level in all major tournament series and casinos?

 

[grahamplayscards]

Because 1/3 of one big blind is enough to warrant a change of a standard blind level in all major tournament series and casinos?

My experience is it’s very rare to see a SB for less than half a BB amount in MTTs. Makes BvB play very punishing for the SB (worse cost to limp) and also affects SB calling ranges vs a raise from the field.

 

[Defarse]

My experience is it’s very rare to see a SB for less than half a BB amount in MTTs. Makes BvB play very punishing for the SB (worse cost to limp) and also affects SB calling ranges vs a raise from the field.

It's extremely rare. And I'm not seeing the logic in changing these blind levels for your home game and having to know how each affects play, especially with bvb.

 

[grahamplayscards]

It's extremely rare. And I'm not seeing the logic in changing these blind levels for your home game and having to know how each affects play, especially with bvb.

Completely agree, I’d just go 100/200, 200/300, 200/400 for first 3 levels and call it a day

 

[TheRealStephen12]

I was saying that blind increase ratios are inconsistent. Changing from the 200/300 level changes ratios as @grahamplayscards mentioned which increases play, which encourages rebuys, which is not player-friendly as a home game should be (and is likely to force players to bust early in a freezeout). The wildly different blind increases means the tournament is inconsistent. If you want a less player-friendly and more inconsistent poker tournament (though similar to a casino environment), then 200/300/300 is for you. For a friendlier, more-consistent tournament, use 100/300/300.

 

[grahamplayscards]

I was saying that blind increase ratios are inconsistent. Changing from the 200/300 level changes ratios as @grahamplayscards mentioned which increases play, which encourages rebuys, which is not player-friendly as a home game should be (and is likely to force players to bust early in a freezeout). The wildly different blind increases means the tournament is inconsistent. If you want a less player-friendly and more inconsistent poker tournament (though similar to a casino environment), then 200/300/300 is for you. For a friendlier, more-consistent tournament, use 100/300/300.

As we previously discussed, punishing the SB by giving him a worse price on calling raises balances out the increased SB amount. I’d also say 100 extra chips will maybe affect one hand in a 15-20 min level structure so ultimately it’s meaningless compared to later levels when stack depth gets significantly shallower.

 

[Defarse]

I was saying that blind increase ratios are inconsistent. Changing from the 200/300 level changes ratios as @grahamplayscards mentioned which increases play, which encourages rebuys, which is not player-friendly as a home game should be (and is likely to force players to bust early in a freezeout). The wildly different blind increases means the tournament is inconsistent. If you want a less player-friendly and more inconsistent poker tournament (though similar to a casino environment), then 200/300/300 is for you. For a friendlier, more-consistent tournament, use 100/300/300.

"Wildly different??" and "force players to bust early?" Lol you are being a bit dramatic. If this is causing players to bust in level 2 then they have much bigger issues. This is one blind level and in a self dealt game with 20 minute levels........you might see the small blind one time? And it's 1/3 of a big blind difference. Is it really that large of deal to change the structure from standard?