Jockey mold find - but what (and from when) are they? (1 Viewer)

[Eriks]

Found a bunch of old solid hot stamped Jockey molds off forum. They guy I bought them from wasn’t the original owner so he doesn’t know much. Told me they’re from the 80s so I assume pre ASM. The weight of a lot of the colors suggests so as well. The lighter green looks a lot like Paulson day green (from memory, don’t have one to compare right now).

Does anyone know anything about these? @David Spragg maybe?

 

[GreekRedEye]

Great find!

That is such a unique emblem. To my eyes, it looks like an island with boulders on it and then a gaping, jagged hole.

 

[JMC9389]

Yowza, those are heavy to be ASM/CPC, very interesting!

 

[Grimace]

Nice find. These are really nice.

 

[upNdown]

Maybe it's a gold nugget?

 

[Eriks]

Maybe it's a gold nugget?

Seems like a good guess. All I know is they’ve been used as roulette chips at some small private casino like place.

 

[ekricket]

The stamp is so light I think it was probably done with a manual stamper.

 

[GreekRedEye]

Maybe it's a gold nugget?

I think you may be right. The circles could be the dimpling you see in nuggets. And the star shape that I saw as a hole could be the glint of light off the gold.

Seems like a good guess. All I know is they’ve been used as roulette chips at some small private casino like place.

What country did you buy them from?

 

[Eriks]

I think you may be right. The circles could be the dimpling you see in nuggets. And the star shape that I saw as a hole could be the glint of light off the gold.

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What country did you buy them from?

Here in Sweden

 

[Eriks]

The stamp is so light I think it was probably done with a manual stamper.

Interesting, so probably bought as blanks from whomever sold Jockeys then

 

[mipevi]

That's a cool set! I believe the Jockey mold was owned by John Huxley Casino Equipment Ltd in the UK (TCSJOHNHUXLEY today), and while they manufactured stuff like tables and roulette wheels, the chips they provided were outsourced. Their location explains why you do often see older Jockey mold chips that were used in Europe.

I don't know if the Jockey mold was ever used by Paulson, so if I had to guess a manufacturer I'd go with Burt Co. Though the weight of these chips is interesting, how is their thickness compared to a barrel of Paulsons?

 

[Huskerchipper]

Very curious as to how the chips feel. Do they have more of a CPC texture feel or softer like a Paulson? The jockey mold samples i have from CPC have a textured feel to them so assuming the same but Paulson clay feels different/softer. Not familiar with the feel of chips that came from Burt Co.

 

[Eriks]

Though the weight of these chips is interesting, how is their thickness compared to a barrel of Paulsons?

Don’t have any Paulsons other than some singles to compare with unfortunately.

Very curious as to how the chips feel. Do they have more of a CPC texture feel or softer like a Paulson? The jockey mold samples i have from CPC have a textured feel to them so assuming the same but Paulson clay feels different/softer. Not familiar with the feel of chips that came from Burt Co.

I would say they feel more Paulsony in that sense. They are broken in though so that may have taken care of the texture. The heavy ones are a delight to shuffle.

Three of the colors are noticeably lighter. They also show the most wear.

 

[mipevi]

I don't know anything about Burt Co. chips, but if we assume they had similar DG colors as ASM/CPC, it might make sense why the greens and pinks are the lightest. As for texture, it would be the same on new chips regardless of the manufacturer, as it just depends on the mold used. Feel on used chips would end up being quite similar too, I guess.

Searching the forum I came across this pic by @jja412, where you can see a barrel height difference between RHC and Jockey mold, at least as made by CPC. Also note how the edge finishing is different, the grooves are typical to Paulson chips (lathe?) vs. the smooth finish of the Jockey molds (grinder?) for ASM/CPC (and prolly Burt Co. as well).

I also came across this ad for some old Jockey chips, the greens look similar.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/different-small-lots-jockey-mold.125550/

 

[Eriks]

I don't know anything about Burt Co. chips, but if we assume they had similar DG colors as ASM/CPC, it might make sense why the greens and pinks are the lightest. As for texture, it would be the same on new chips regardless of the manufacturer, as it just depends on the mold used. Feel on used chips would end up being quite similar too, I guess.

Searching the forum I came across this pic by @jja412, where you can see a barrel height difference between RHC and Jockey mold, at least as made by CPC. Also note how the edge finishing is different, the grooves are typical to Paulson chips (lathe?) vs. the smooth finish of the Jockey molds (grinder?) for ASM/CPC (and prolly Burt Co. as well).

I also came across this ad for some old Jockey chips, the greens look similar.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/different-small-lots-jockey-mold.125550/

Thank you! These have the same smooth edge finish.

Those green ones look exactly like mine.

 

[Colquhoun]

To me, that star shape looked like mountain peak on a map. Made me think of a Hawaiian island....maybe Kawai?

 

[FestiveKnight]

@Gus

 

[Gus]

Probably Burt. They made the large and small Greek key chips for Well’s who I know had “regular weight” as well as “heavy” and maybe even “super heavy” that I’ve seen on manufacturers samples.

Unsure of how the formula changed but I can imagine different weights being a standard option for their distributors.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

n’t have any Paulsons other than some singles to compare with unfortunately.

 

[Eriks]

I’ve had plenty of Paulsons but my keeper sets are BCCs and my CPC customs

 

[GreekRedEye]

To me, that star shape looked like mountain peak on a map. Made me think of a Hawaiian island....maybe Kawai?
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Great find!

That is such a unique emblem. To my eyes, it looks like an island with boulders on it and then a gaping, jagged hole.

We both see and island. But then you see a mountain. And I see a gaping hole. What does that say about our predispositions?

 

[Eriks]

@Ahven filled in some missing pieces of the puzzle.

They were roulette chips at a restaurant in small town Leksand, Sweden called Goldis, (a Swedish version of the word goldies, which would be pronounced the same). Hence, the stamps are gold nuggets.

 

[Jmanguy09]

Looks like older chip colors, beautiful, probably stamped later by hand as well. I have a few old hand stamps and its similar in "faddedness" as the ones you have.