JMC9389
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Wasn't disputing that. Probably two different runs with similar packaging from two different print houses.
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Fournier vs. Dal Negro (2 Viewers)
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Yes I kinda missread, sorry about that.
Exactly, do we know if the known issues with Copag's fading ink come from the Brazilian/Belgium stock? Or both?
JMC9389
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Mostly from the Brazilian stock. But I agree that the Copag ink fading meme is overblown.
Cartamundi Belgium and gasp, even Fournier ink fades at about the same rate as the Copag in my experience.
Cartamundi Belgium and gasp, even Fournier ink fades at about the same rate as the Copag in my experience.
Thanks for your insight, how quick/slow is "the same rate" for you?
How many home games before seeing any ink fading?
Do you often wash your cards?
JMC9389
Royal Flush
I've never had Copags in play long enough to see. A setup of used 2024 WSOP cards was in play for a 5 hour session on a table topper and shows no signs of wear.
A set of bridge PokerStars Fourniers after a 6 hour session on my casino cloth table already has shown signs of fading.
I have a setup of Cartamundi Belgium casino cards that has been put into play for five 6 or so hour sessions that, while still will last at least another 4 or 5 sessions, is showing some faded ink, but no where near illegible yet.
I absolutely love reading that the DOAT (Deck Of All Time) is standing strong against durability issues, thank you so much for your insight.
I've read that they were made for casino and thus, shuffling machines, meaning that shuffling them with hands was wearing the ink quickly. But that person was talking about the Tobago Casino version of the Cartamundi Belgium deck, so this statement must be taken with a grain of salt regarding the stock version.
I'm still glad to hear that.
JMC9389
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With light home use they'll be totally fine and last several years if stored in a cool environment with low humidity. Heat and humidity is always the main threat to card longevity rather than ink fading unless you're playing every day and using the same decks consecutively.
Thanks to the reviews and feedback here I bought a setup of the Black Jack Rose (found a link from @JMC9389 a year ago):
Here were the shipping options:
Edit, here’s the link: https://www.kardwell.com/black-jack-rose-playing-cards-red
Here were the shipping options:
Edit, here’s the link: https://www.kardwell.com/black-jack-rose-playing-cards-red
DeucesNeverLoses
Sitting Out
Are the NTP Black Jack Rose bridge or poker size?No problem, bought them on Kardwell aswell.
Let us know what you think of them when you'll receive them, great choice
Received mine the other week. Haven’t opened yet, confirmed poker sized though with my cut card.
DeucesNeverLoses
Sitting Out
Nope, just as shown in the pictures, two separate paper tuck boxes. No fancy KEM or Modiano style box.
To those with the NTP cards, can you compare with Desjgn Dal Negro-made cards?
I love my Desjgn but looking for something even a bit softer feeling (more like a KEM). If these NTP are stiffer will probably skip, also prefer bridge size but if they feel soft more toward a KEM then I’d be willing to get poker size.
I love my Desjgn but looking for something even a bit softer feeling (more like a KEM). If these NTP are stiffer will probably skip, also prefer bridge size but if they feel soft more toward a KEM then I’d be willing to get poker size.
If you want soft I'd go for Angel. NTP has a nice feel but I wouldn't label them soft like KEMs.
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