Home Game Tiebreaker Ruling (2 Viewers)

[mr11]

Hosted my second home tournament this weekend and ran into a situation where we had a three way all in on the last hand. Tournament rules were top 2 got paid. The chip leader ended up winning and busted the other two at the same time. Curious how PCF would handle this situation with two people tying for the last spot.

I ended up giving 1st place his winnings and split 2nd place between the two players. At the time, this made the most sense to me and seemed fair. After doing some research, it looks like i could have said the tiebreaker is the person with the highest chip count prior to the all in. I understand splitting might not seem fair if one was short stack and the other wasn’t but both players did get eliminated at the same time

 

[Jonesey07]

Hosted my second home tournament this weekend and ran into a situation where we had a three way all in on the last hand. Tournament rules were top 2 got paid. The chip leader ended up winning and busted the other two at the same time. Curious how PCF would handle this situation with two people tying for the last spot.

I ended up giving 1st place his winnings and split 2nd place between the two players. At the time, this made the most sense to me and seemed fair. After doing some research, it looks like i could have said the tiebreaker is the person with the highest chip count prior to the all in. I understand splitting might not seem fair if one was short stack and the other wasn’t but both players did get eliminated at the same time

It would go by chip stacks going in to the hand.

1st is the player that knocks out the others
2nd is the player that had the most chips to start the hand that did not survive the all-in.
3rd is the player that went in to the hand with the lowest amount of chips.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

It would go by chip stacks going in to the hand.

1st is the player that knocks out the others
2nd is the player that had the most chips to start the hand that did not survive the all-in.
3rd is the player that went in to the hand with the lowest amount of chips.

Yes, this is the correct and fair answer. I don't hate beginners agreeing to just chop the money but I would be annoyed if I lost 2nd place money to someone with less chips than me. I won those chips previously and want them to count.

I was running a tournament for a local group, 3 tables and it was a ton of fun. Top 5 or 6 get paid and we were on the bubble. Someone bet big, one of the tiny stacks called for allin, and an even tinier stack next to her goes all in. Wasn't the time to ask her WHY, but I made sure they knew this rule. Neither of them cared and agreed to split it anyways, but I wanted that to be clear when running a beginner game.

If it helps, first short stack called her 4 blinds with J9s, the other short stack had Q6o. Whatever works.

 

[Baxit]

Never seen the case in tournaments. I would have split in equal parts because what matters in tournament is who survives longest. To quote from Barry Lyndon final scene: "Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor — they are all equal now." Then the issue is that short stacks could join the 2 leaders all-in in the hope of splitting the prize if chip leader wipes the table. Then it's arbiter's discreetion to thwart such opportunistic attempts.
PS. Couldn't find anything in latest Poker TDA Rules

 

[upNdown]

Bigger stack prior to the hand is the totally standard tiebreaker live and online and I’ve seen it happen many times.
You can use whatever rules you want at your home game, but they should be posted prior to the tournament if they deviate from standard rules.

 

[Baxit]

@upNdown, @NotRealNameNoSir : "Bigger stack prior to the hand" looks like the only rule requiring no further interpretation. Thanks for making that clear.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Never seen the case in tournaments. I would have split in equal parts because what matters in tournament is who survives longest. To quote from Barry Lyndon final scene: "Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor — they are all equal now." Then the issue is that short stacks could join the 2 leaders all-in in the hope of splitting the prize if chip leader wipes the table. Then it's arbiter's discreetion to thwart such opportunistic attempts.
PS. Couldn't find anything in latest Poker TDA Rules

Wow, surprised that I can't find it in there. Hand-for-hand discussions from past (2016) mention a difference between being at different tables and the same table, but the language wasn't kept up.

I agree. No brainer if a tighter big-stack shoves, gets 2 all-in callers and I have 1 BB. I'm shoving 72o on the bubble if it means I share the next few prizes, right? I just think, in a single table tournament, its very easy to figure out who came into the hand with more chips.

No I agree it should be more explicit. Oh well.

 

[Nickyboom]

It would go by chip stacks going in to the hand.

1st is the player that knocks out the others
2nd is the player that had the most chips to start the hand that did not survive the all-in.
3rd is the player that went in to the hand with the lowest amount of chips.

thank you for sharing. this is very helpful!

 

[Frogzilla]

Same table go by chip count.

Only time split would be different tables during a hand-for-hand

 

[MD Mike]

What would happen if they had the same exact number of chips?

 

[BPTDirector]

Watch some old WSOP on you tube or pokerGo. You’ll see the bigger stack rule applied as described above.

 

[Frogzilla]

What would happen if they had the same exact number of chips?

tie/ split

Damn. Got me. My “only way” statement was wrong.

 

[JustinInMN]

What would happen if they had the same exact number of chips?

Then I think the ruling of splitting the prizes is correct. So I would combine the 2nd and 3rd place prizes and divide by 2.

Now in this case 3rd place money is zero, so each player would simply get half of 2nd place.

 

[BPTDirector]

I just watched a WSOP bubble episode where they were playing hand by hand until the bubble burst. 3 players all went out where one would have been bubble -1. The second bubble, third would be in the money. They did a flip for the entry to WSOP Europe which was the bubble prize, but split the money three ways. That surprised me, they didn’t even mention stack size.

 

[Frogzilla]

I just watched a WSOP bubble episode where they were playing hand by hand until the bubble burst. 3 players all went out where one would have been bubble -1. The second bubble, third would be in the money. They did a flip for the entry to WSOP Europe which was the bubble prize, but split the money three ways. That surprised me, they didn’t even mention stack size.

Different tables stacks don’t matter

It would be a little interesting what they do for complex situations like two players knocked out on table A, one knocked out on table B, three knocked out on table C