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I can‘t feel a difference in these two decks, except the Dal Negros got slightly rounder corners.

Both amazing cards!

Their stock seems to be pretty similar, if not the same.
Any one made the same experience or got more info about?

Fournier 2818 / Dal Negro Texas

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I bought a few european set ups and received in June. I’ve put the Fournier EPT into play and Fournier Poker playing into play so far out of these (both show as 2818 on the Ace of Spades)

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EPTs:
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And their titanium poker playing series we used a few weeks ago:
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I liked the feel of these so far. I’ve not used the Dal Negro Texas ones yet, so pulled them out beside a new deck of Fournier 2818s and did some side by side quick shuffles.

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The only obvious thing that stood out is the side of the stump on the Dal Negro’s felt rougher than the Fourniers, which was completely smooth.

Dal Negro - not sure if the blade was duller, but could visually see and feel where they had cut. When I shuffled could feel the difference on the side:

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Whereas the Fourniers were completely smooth/ no obvious ridges:
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Doubt many beyond some chip and card nerds would notice the difference, however the fourniers did feel more ‘premium’ as a result for me.
 
Fournier and Dal Negro are my top two card manufacturers and have been for several years.

I haven't noticed a big difference between the two beyond Dal Negro being a bit "snappier" when shuffled. Maybe their card stock is a little more stiff than Fournier? I haven't done a side-by-side comparison or a proper flex test to say for sure beyond my memory.

If you happen to be sensitive to strong scents, the Dal Negro cards to have a pretty strong PVC smell right out of the wrapper, and it doesn't seem to go away quickly either. A washing might take care of that, but I haven't had a need to clean the Dal Negro cards I have to see if that helps or not. (The scent doesn't bother me and nobody in my group has mentioned or complained about it).


@Kam, I haven't noticed those strange cut marks on my Dal Negro cards, but I also haven't looked for them either. You're going to make me check now! I wonder if those might be from a lot when the cutting blades needed a sharpening?
 
You're going to make me check now! I wonder if those might be from a lot when the cutting blades needed a sharpening?
Yeah, could just be that one batch, assume they would need to resharpen/ maintain the blades - but does suggest as least Fournier might have better controls and inspections etc. Only noticeable when you square up/get ready to shuffle and I was focusing on the details. I’ll use these in my next home game - wonder if it’ll smooth out after a night of play and bad shuffling.

@Pippa I shared where I bought my setups from - didn’t buy any from Italy though, but some online European options:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/european-uk-card-buy-recommendations.128196/

GL!
 
I bought a few european set ups and received in June. I’ve put the Fournier EPT into play and Fournier Poker playing into play so far out of these (both show as 2818 on the Ace of Spades)

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EPTs:
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And their titanium poker playing series we used a few weeks ago:
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I liked the feel of these so far. I’ve not used the Dal Negro Texas ones yet, so pulled them out beside a new deck of Fournier 2818s and did some side by side quick shuffles.

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The only obvious thing that stood out is the side of the stump on the Dal Negro’s felt rougher than the Fourniers, which was completely smooth.

Dal Negro - not sure if the blade was duller, but could visually see and feel where they had cut. When I shuffled could feel the difference on the side:

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Whereas the Fourniers were completely smooth/ no obvious ridges:
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Doubt many beyond some chip and card nerds would notice the difference, however the fourniers did feel more ‘premium’ as a result for me.
Interesting observation!
I checked on my Dal Negros and they don‘t got these ‚scratches‘ on the side.
They got the same ‚premium‘ feel that you mentionned.
 
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I’ll go in Italy next June
Need to find a seller for Fournier 2828 in Italy Or someone in Europe ship to Italy
@SwissChip
Any suggestions?
I got mine from Germany (Pokershop.de)

Don‘t know if it worth to send them from Ger to Italy?
 
Apart from Fourniers, Dal Negro has few different stocks to offer.
I prefer stock on Grand Slam but Texas and Black Rose is nice too, especialy Black Rose....
 
Apart from Fourniers, Dal Negro has few different stocks to offer.
I prefer stock on Grand Slam but Texas and Black Rose is nice too, especialy Black Rose....
Not familiar with black rose.
Are they more like Texas or Grand Slam?
 
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Not familiar with black rose.
Are they more like Texas or Grand Slam?
ore like Texas but very paperlike, I have 4 index standard version but seen jumbo version online (so can not guarantee its same stock)
 
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ore like Texas but very paperlike, I have 4 index standard version but seen jumbo version online (so can not guarantee its same stock)
Ok thanks!
I‘ve checked Kardwell.
It‘s NPT - the Dal Negro Deluxe version.
These must be very nice cards!
 
Ok thanks!
I‘ve checked Kardwell.
It‘s NPT - the Dal Negro Deluxe version.
These must be very nice cards!
Can confirm, I love Dal Negros and NTPs are sort of Dal Negros on steroids. Very soft, great shuffle, look great. Feel-wise to me they are closest to Modiano Platinum
 
Kardwell has Dal Negro Black Jack Rose decks in different colors. Only $8.50 a deck, but customer service results may vary...
I ordered all four colors and got them yesterday. Pretty fast shipping etc, these are really really nice cards. Crazy I've only read about the Black Rose here. I'm going to order some more 👀
 
I ordered all four colors and got them yesterday. Pretty fast shipping etc, these are really really nice cards. Crazy I've only read about the Black Rose here. I'm going to order some more 👀
Yeah me too, never heard of them before.
Sadly my shipping time is way longer because I'm in Europe.
It's great to hear that you enjoy them, now I'm even more eager to try them myself!
Feel free to share some pictures, the only pics we got from Kardell is the Ace of heart, would love to see what the other cards looks like.
 
Thank you very much for taking the time of doing and posting those pictures, I really love them.
I really like when faces have colored skin, I don't like the plain white faces of Copag, KEM and many others.
 
I received the NTP Black Jack Rose and Dal Negro Texas Hold'Em a few days ago, I took the time to play with them, dribble them (dribbling is a very basic cardistry move that allows you to do the famous Anaconda Dribble, and is THE best move to do when feeling the stock quality of a deck imo), shuffle them, riffle them etc.
Here is a comparison between those two decks plus Copag & Fournier because why not. I'll give you my personnal thoughts for those interested even tho I'm nobody to judge the cards.
Please note that I'm french and I'll write this comparison without any translations tools nor AI, sorry in advance for the english mistakes and bad choices of words, let's start :
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As you can tell from this image, only Copag uses "Cherry Red" ink while all the others uses a darker "Casino Red" ink. Also, only Copag uses a full white skin tone on the faces, I personally am not a big fan of that, I think that the faces looks unhealthy when they're full white.
You can also tell from this image the different font & sizes of the faces, I am not a big fan of the smaller Dal Negro font, I think that when you buy a Jumbo Index deck for playing Poker, you want a big font. But once again that's only my personnal thought.
Dal Negro also has the darker cream center panel, which is something I like, all the others have a clearer cream panel with Copag having by far the whitest one. Please note that in real life they don't look as white as in the picture as I took the photo under great lightning.

Let's have a closer look at the back designs now :
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I'm sorry I don't have a Red Fournier to have the best comparison possible.
Special mention to Dal Negro for having a thinner white border than all the other decks, I think it looks a bit more classy and premium.
NTP has by far my favorite back design here, I think the design is amazing and the red ink is more vibrant than the other decks.

Now, let's look at the cards with full lighting and extremely zoomed to see the texture :
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As you can tell from this test, only the italian brands reflect a different texture, with Dal Negro having the most different one, while NTP looks like it's reflecting diamonds. Fournier and Copag looks very similar.

Let's look at the special cards now :
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Apart from the Ace of Spade, the italian and Spanish brands have another card with something written on them, which is something I personally hate, I don't really get why they don't put this on the Ace of Spade.
Copag doesn't have any special cards and I think that's great.

Let's look at bonus cards and jokers :
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Only Copag and Dal Negro have a Card Ranking card, shoutout to Dal Negro for having by far the coolest one, showing the cards with Jumbo Index and Cream Center Panel, looks amazing.
I always liked Card Ranking cards as I used them as a Cut Card before buying a real Cut Card.

Let's look at the other side of the boxes :
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I really like NTP's square hole showing the back of the cards, looks great. But on the other side NTP is the only box that doesn't have a "U shaped" hole at the top to open the box easily, I feel like I'm destroying the box everytime I open it.

Let's look at the quality control of the stock now :
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I'll only show Dal Negro because all the other decks have a really great quality control, with nice cuts, no visible default whatsoever. As you can tell from the picture above, Dal Negro has an edge that is poorly cut, leaving visible traces of the cut.

Now I'll give my overall thought and opinion about the feeling in hands of the decks, something that can't be shown in pictures but I'll try my best to describe it :

-NTP Black Jack Rose : BY FAR the best stock here, in hands you feel that every single card has the same dimensions, down to the last nanometer, something I've never felt with any other decks. When dribbling the cards you can really feel each and every card dropping from your hand, their great flexibility, quality etc. It is the best PVC stock I've ever felt and it's not even close.

-Dal Negro Texas Hold'Em : By far the worst stock here. When laying the four decks side by side, Dal Negro is the only deck that has a card that can go above the other decks, feeling like you have 55 cards instaed of 54, meaning it's the thicker stock here. When dribbling the cards I can feel multiple cards dropping of my hands at the same time, instaed of only one, which is something that you don't want, and also is a horrible feeling. As you saw in the pictures it also has the lowest quality control. In my opinion the worst deck 4 compared here.

-Fournier Titanium Series : Great stock, very good balance overall, a bit less flexible than NTP, when dribbling the cards the deck feels good. I can tell why so many of you guys here love Fournier. Sadly, when compared to NTP the choice between the two isn't close. Still a great deck tho.

-Copag Texas Hold'Em : The stiffer stock here, when dribbling the cards I can feel that they're less flexible, which is something you can like, it depends on what you're looking for. Stiff decks adds snappiness I guess. This deck also feel good and is very close to the Fournier, if you hesitate between Copag and Fournier, you should make your choice on the design here, almost the same stock in hands with Copag being a bit more stiff.

Conclusion : Between those 4 decks, the one I'll chose here without any hesitation is the NTP Black Jack Rose. The faces are the closest to the Cartamundi Belgium faces (the best ever imo). With the font being very close to the rectangle panel in the center. Best back design imo, best stock aswell. The only thing I don't like about this deck is the Ace of Heart with the tiny "92A" written at the bottom. Apart from that and the Ace of Spade that looks fat and too wide, this deck is a 10/10. The cheap price makes it an even bigger no brainer choice than it already was.
 
I received the NTP Black Jack Rose and Dal Negro Texas Hold'Em a few days ago, I took the time to play with them…
Thanks for your insight.
There may be a difference in Fournier Titanium and Standart 2818 decks.

I never had edge issues with any Dal Negro Texas deck.
This is why i couldn‘t notice a difference between Fournier and Dal Negro except the rounder corners on the DN.
 
Thanks for your insight.
No problem, it was a pleasure to write as it was my first time trying to take pictures and trying to describe my thoughts in a foreign language. I really liked the exercice.

There may be a difference in Fournier Titanium and Standart 2818 decks.
I have no idea about that, I think you'll have to ask card expert on this forum, maybe @JMC9389 or @Thomacetti have the answer as they seem very knowledgable about this subject.
I've even heard that the Copag Texas Hold'Em stock changes between the old package and the new package. The older one being closer to a Cartamundi stock.
Here is what I call "old package" for Texas Hold'Em Copag's :

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But once again that's only things I read in this forum so I don't know if that's true or not, let's see if JMC or Thomas has the answer to that.

PS : Something I didn't wrote in my original analysis is that I've read a lot of different people saying Copag's ink fade quicker than other brands, I've never had any issue with them so far but it's because I've only played one home game with those.
 
The only answer I can give is to check the boxes. The Texas Hold Em Poker cards that I bought (and later sold) were made in Brazil.
 
The only answer I can give is to check the boxes. The Texas Hold Em Poker cards that I bought (and later sold) were made in Brazil.
The one I have is made in Belgium, there is no way that the stocks are the same between Brazil and Belgium.
100% different stock in my opinion.
 

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