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Mizrachi luckboxed his way to the Main Event title over the past two days because you literally have to luckbox a tournament with 9K+ entries in it but people are acting like it was some grand spectacle and not a luckbox run because he is a seasoned veteran and a name.

He literally couldn't lose a flip when he was 40-48% and turned everything when his opponent had a hand. The Q-10 river bet was an amazing bet and his best play of the final table but it only worked because he spiked two pair against top pair.

Mizrachi is a legend, a great player, and a future Hall of Famer in 2026. But let's all calm down and be honest. If some guy named Tom Mitchell from Des Moines, Iowa with 4 WSOP cashes to his name ran the same exact final two days the poker community would be questioning half of his all in decisions and calling him a luckbox.
 
Zmasterben said:
Mizrachi luckboxed his way to the Main Event title over the past two days because you literally have to luckbox a tournament with 9K+ entries in it but people are acting like it was some grand spectacle and not a luckbox run because he is a seasoned veteran and a name.

He literally couldn't lose a flip when he was 40-48% and turned everything when his opponent had a hand. The Q-10 river bet was an amazing bet and his best play of the final table but it only worked because he spiked two pair against top pair.

Mizrachi is a legend, a great player, and a future Hall of Famer in 2026. But let's all calm down and be honest. If some guy named Tom Mitchell from Des Moines, Iowa with 4 WSOP cashes to his name ran the same exact final two days the poker community would be questioning half of his all in decisions and calling him a luckbox.
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He’s not a future hall of famer. They put literally inducted him into the hall of fame 5 minutes after that win, something they’ve never done before.
And I don’t know where you get “4 WSOP cashes.” He’s won the players championship, the most respected of tournament 4 times - maybe that’s what you’re thinking of. But give the man the respect that he’s earned.
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https://www.wsop.com/players/michael-mizrachi/
 
upNdown said:
He’s not a future hall of famer. They put literally inducted him into the hall of fame 5 minutes after that win, something they’ve never done before.
And I don’t know where you get “4 WSOP cashes.” He’s won the players championship, the most respected of tournament 4 times - maybe that’s what you’re thinking of. But give the man the respect that he’s earned.
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Believe he's just pointing to the same decisions and path by someone else would not be seen as favorably, we assign more skill than we should because we know Mizrachi is a pro with a solid history of wins. Survivorship bias.
 
NotRealNameNoSir said:
Believe he's just pointing to the same decisions and path by someone else would not be seen as favorably, we assign more skill than we should because we know Mizrachi is a pro with a solid history of wins. Survivorship bias.
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Yes. That’s fair. Just, if you’re gonna mention his achievements, get it right. Because he now has a more impressive poker resume than everybody except a handful of greats.
 
Zmasterben said:
Mizrachi luckboxed his way to the Main Event title over the past two days because you literally have to luckbox a tournament with 9K+ entries in it but people are acting like it was some grand spectacle and not a luckbox run because he is a seasoned veteran and a name.

He literally couldn't lose a flip when he was 40-48% and turned everything when his opponent had a hand. The Q-10 river bet was an amazing bet and his best play of the final table but it only worked because he spiked two pair against top pair.

Mizrachi is a legend, a great player, and a future Hall of Famer in 2026. But let's all calm down and be honest. If some guy named Tom Mitchell from Des Moines, Iowa with 4 WSOP cashes to his name ran the same exact final two days the poker community would be questioning half of his all in decisions and calling him a luckbox.
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I do think he was a lot more luckbox-y than your typical winner (at least for the televised portions, no idea what happened before Day 6/7).

Winners like Martin Jacobson a few years back struck me as just really solid, smart players who genuinely grinded their way to the final table. His style was tight aggressive and taking lots of thin edges, is my recollection.

Jacobson was in 8th place when the final table started. He was second when it came down to the final three, so he couldn't just bully his way into 1st... Rather than just flipping constantly or making massive hands when someone else had a calling hand, I felt like Jacobson made some really great, fine reads and chipped up bit by bit. Again, I don't recall every detail so no doubt he got “lucky” here and there but I came away feeling like “that guy 100% earned the win.”

Again... I’m sure Jacobson and others before/after him had to win some improbable hands to get there. But did they win every single flip when they got it in bad? Always suck out when they were far behind? Get fortunate that someone else caught a big hand when they had the nuts? I feel like most champions play very well from pillar to post. While Mizrachi was mainly sunrunning.
 
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upNdown said:
He’s not a future hall of famer. They put literally inducted him into the hall of fame 5 minutes after that win, something they’ve never done before.
And I don’t know where you get “4 WSOP cashes.” He’s won the players championship, the most respected of tournament 4 times - maybe that’s what you’re thinking of. But give the man the respect that he’s earned.
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My point was if someone with 4 cashes who never accomplished anything made the same run as him people would be way less complimentary of that person. I literally called him a legend in my post, I offered no disrespect to his accomplishments nor did I mention them at all.

I also missed they elected him to the Hall of Fame because I turned it off after the final hand. What an absolute horseshit decision that is. They literally couldn't wait a year? After establishing their own rules of one player a year, they threw it all out the window because a guy won the Main Even and PPC in the same year? They established the rules of their own organization and just decided to throw them out the window because something cool happened. If you want to change the rules of induction, great, the current rule is stupid anyways. But if they can just say "Errr, uh, cool none of the rules apply now!" because they felt like it then you have no rules to begin with. What a joke.
 
upNdown said:
Yes. That’s fair. Just, if you’re gonna mention his achievements, get it right. Because he now has a more impressive poker resume than everybody except a handful of greats.
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He didnt mention his accomplishments. He was comparing Mizrachi to a completely different person and set of accomplishments to juxtapose the two.
 
Zmasterben said:
My point was if someone with 4 cashes who never accomplished anything made the same run as him people would be way less complimentary of that person. I literally called him a legend in my post, I offered no disrespect to his accomplishments nor did I mention them at all.

I also missed they elected him to the Hall of Fame because I turned it off after the final hand. What an absolute horseshit decision that is. They literally couldn't wait a year? After establishing their own rules of one player a year, they threw it all out the window because a guy won the Main Even and PPC in the same year? They established the rules of their own organization and just decided to throw them out the window because something cool happened. If you want to change the rules of induction, great, the current rule is stupid anyways. But if they can just say "Errr, uh, cool none of the rules apply now!" because they felt like it then you have no rules to begin with. What a joke.
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Got it. Sorry, I misread you.
And I agree, to the extent that all hall of fames are popularity contest bullshit. But as long as it is bullshit, I like the idea of breaking their own bullshit rules to recognize such an achievement.
 
Zmasterben said:
My point was if someone with 4 cashes who never accomplished anything made the same run as him people would be way less complimentary of that person. I literally called him a legend in my post, I offered no disrespect to his accomplishments nor did I mention them at all.

I also missed they elected him to the Hall of Fame because I turned it off after the final hand. What an absolute horseshit decision that is. They literally couldn't wait a year? After establishing their own rules of one player a year, they threw it all out the window because a guy won the Main Even and PPC in the same year? They established the rules of their own organization and just decided to throw them out the window because something cool happened. If you want to change the rules of induction, great, the current rule is stupid anyways. But if they can just say "Errr, uh, cool none of the rules apply now!" because they felt like it then you have no rules to begin with. What a joke.
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This 100%...they even not nominated him after he took down the Players Championship and now he is a god ?
No problem with the Grinder, he is straight up...but they are blowing this up by a mile.
 
Really more than anything just highlights how pointless the one person per year rule it. Just make it a vote % threshold and however many people do or don't get in, so be it.

Grinder should have been in 4 years ago when he was first eligible.
 
Thomacetti said:
This 100%...they even not nominated him after he took down the Players Championship and now he is a god ?
No problem with the Grinder, he is straight up...but they are blowing this up by a mile.
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Now I somehow both hate their stupid one player per year rule and also hate that they are not enforcing their stupid rule. You established the rule!

Oddpac87 said:
Really more than anything just highlights how pointless the one person per year rule it. Just make it a vote % threshold and however many people do or don't get in, so be it.

Grinder should have been in 4 years ago when he was first eligible.
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Agreed 100%, but also they have to actually do it first. Don't have a supposed firm rule that you can not enforce anytime you want.

Just go similar to the baseball Hall Of Fame method like you said. 50 or 100 person committee of Hall Of Famers, writers, and announcers/personalities vote for the Hall of Fame every year. Each committee member get's a max of 5 votes and anyone who gets 75% or more get in. If they did that then 3 time PPC and 6 time bracelet winner Michael Mizrachi is a well deserved Hall of Famer before the year even starts and all of this happens.

Since the WSOP owns the Hall of Fame I assume they will probably make reactionary changes to it next year so at least maybe some good will come out of it.
 
Just do it similar to baseball. Give everyone on the voting committee lets say three to five votes. Any player that gets 75% plus gets in. If no player gets 75% on their own, either nobody goes in or the one single top vote getter is in.
 
I'm finding commentary unlistenable at times. A Negreanu feature table has a conversation going on. Looks pretty interesting, but the commentators just keep talking over it. Much more important to cover what they had for lunch over the poker action. Sooo pissed I couldn't hear it.

It's much tougher for these commentators than it was for the "old days". The old days was largely a highlight show that they could prep for. But now they feel they have to fill every minute of a loooooong broadcast and don't know when to shut up and let the game be the show.
 
DeeVee8 said:
I'm finding commentary unlistenable at times. A Negreanu feature table has a conversation going on. Looks pretty interesting, but the commentators just keep talking over it. Much more important to cover what they had for lunch over the poker action. Sooo pissed I couldn't hear it.

It's much tougher for these commentators than it was for the "old days". The old days was largely a highlight show that they could prep for. But now they feel they have to fill every minute of a loooooong broadcast and don't know when to shut up and let the game be the show.
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At least they’re not suggesting players should raise to see where they’re at anymore
 
Eriks said:
At least they’re not suggesting players should raise to see where they’re at anymore
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*cough* Vince Van Patten *cough*

Hook me up with some degree All in Moments or the Jacks Links Beef Jerky mystery hands. Chad has got to be right one of these times.
 
DeeVee8 said:
*cough* Vince Van Patten *cough*

Hook me up with some degree All in Moments or the Jacks Links Beef Jerky mystery hands. Chad has got to be right one of these times.
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Ha really?! I haven’t seen anything he commented on since the good old WPT days
 
Here’s a thought. His style of play rewards good luck more than any other. We’re all going to have some terrible days and some sunrun days. And because he always gets lots of chips in the middle, his sunrun days are going to pay off huge.
I heard him talking about his style of tournament play a few years back. I don’t know how true it was then or now, but he said something like, he looks at his stack, mentally divides it in half, and one half is the chips he can waste.
I’m thinking that for a deep stack tournament, it’s kind of like a modified martingale strategy.
Anyway, it paid off this year.
 

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