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Angle or no angle? (5 Viewers)
- Thread starter harrysallout
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Don't be a coward, tell us what you think, get us started. Angle?
Personally I think it was an angle. Could be an honest mistake, of course, but its an incredibly convenient position and time to make that mistake. He sees his cards, glances over at the chips which are clearly more than the minimum, and then makes his move. He was following the action as we see on camera, mis-bets, and calls the shove. We'll never know for sure, I don't know either player with no horse in the race, but when mistakes happen at super convenient times its tough to overlook them. Perfect spot to look weak.
Plus video shows a player telling the victim that he did it earlier. Scumbag move if that's true.
Plus video shows a player telling the victim that he did it earlier. Scumbag move if that's true.
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OP
OP
Based on the additional information from the other player that he did this previously when they were down to 20 players he's definitely angling. Once an angler always an angler
Good idea, copied the format.
Being forced to take a little punitive "time out" through the blinds late in the tourney oughta' learn'em....
He looked guilty
And yet he came over to "apologize", that's the worst.
Yeah I think these guys are more pathetic than evil. We’ve all seen these anglers and the fact that they’ll do this in front of everybody (and almost always deny it) just makes them slimy sad trash.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
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LeLe
4 of a Kind
i think most of the people (except the innocent individuals) agreed is an angle, it happen from times to times and most people don’t even think too much about it afterwards.
But what make it worse than usual is that he try to act like is a genuine mistake which he already did it twice within the same day
But what make it worse than usual is that he try to act like is a genuine mistake which he already did it twice within the same day
HiveKueen
Pair
Playing against this guy you have to assume it is an angle to protect yourself.
Jimulacrum
Full House
Seemed like an angle to me. Hard to impose a penalty for it in the moment because he denies it, and it would be hard to outright prove, but from the video:
- It looks like he saw the raise because he was looking in that direction.
- The raise apparently took a long time (did the UTG player use his time bank?) and thus would have drawn more attention.
- From the commentary, it sounds like this was the first time he had verbalized a raise at this table, which makes it more suspicious.
- Another player says this guy pulled the same exact thing against his friend at an earlier table.
Jimulacrum
Full House
This one was so infuriating to watch. One of the more blatant angles you'll ever see. Most angle shooters at least try to be plausibly deniable.
I'm glad the TD came out and told the other player he had used this angle previously with the nuts, even if it ultimately didn't save him from the angle.
It would take everything in my power to resist needling that scumbag every hand for the entire rest of the game.
Yeah, that TD seemed pretty on top of it compared to most. Until folk start getting DQ’d for blatant angles, these types of ‘players’ will keep doing it, knowing they’ll get at most a time out and slap on the wrist.
It’d be very tilting, even if you weren’t the hero but to be at the table and not have it affect your play (going aggro after the villain).
Jimulacrum
Full House
It's hard to DQ on angles because the definition of an angle is that it's not quite against the rules. In a home game, sure, do what you want, but a licensed gaming establishment could run into tough disputes over DQing people for stuff that's technically within the rules.
That said, clearly the TD here had had enough, and decided that it was justified to tell the opponent what Freitez was doing, which is really unusual.
Personally, I think the real solution to this is more social than technical. Just call the guy "angle-shooting pendejo" every time you see him in a cardroom. Introduce him to people like that. Announce it every time he's at a table with you or even an adjacent table. Turn it into his de facto nickname.
This has more or less been accomplished by his well-earned infamy via the internet, but I think it would be fun in person too.
Diamond_Dave
Sitting Out
It blows my mind at this level of play that anyone honestly thinks players of this calibre are not paying attention. This is clearly an angle. It would be best ( in my humble opinion) to force the player that bet out of turn, or incorrectly to surrender the chips put in and be forced to fold. This method would clean up mistakes of the so called “I wasn’t paying attention “ genre
Dnegs tweeted today pretty much angling is fair game.
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